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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by saagarjha »

Aurornis wrote: post #156
spwa4 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value of a degree is in that the institution confirms, at any request, that said person has that degree. It's not the paper.

That’s an unnecessarily reductionist take. The value is obviously having demonstrated that you’ve completed the studies required. The degree is simply the formal proof. If a degree is revoked, that’s a secondary signal that the studies were marked as completed at one time but something later happened that was so egregious that the university felt the need to rescind any endorsements. Discovery of rampant cheating to…

> Taking over a campus building and vandalizing it seems like a reasonable thing to cause the university to want to rescind their endorsement of you.

I take it you are unfamiliar with what happened at Columbia University in 1968, and in particular how the university feels about it now.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by ashoeafoot »

hulitu wrote: post #453
ashoeafoot wrote: post #448

How many democracies left by now?

> How many democracies left by now? 0

Its so depressing . And the racist culture relativists just going along with that. No analysis, no help, nohackernews, nothing ..

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by Lanolderen »

eru wrote: post #458
Lanolderen wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But now you have a system where the general public still decides who leads the caravan but a potential leader can straight up lie about what they're gonna do and it'll be a pain to replace them before their term is over. To fix that you need either unequal votes or to remove the voting rights of those with incorrect opinions and understandings. Maybe education but then you'd have to make reeducation camps for those o…

> To fix that you need either unequal votes or to remove the voting rights of those with incorrect opinions and understandings. Not necessarily. You could also punish liars several after the fact, ie after their term, and hope that incentives will do the trick. Though my favourite idea is to make voting with your feet easier. If you have more issues decided at more local levels, then it's easier to up sticks and move…

Punishing the liars after the fact, to me, sounds like a very slippery slope. What percentage of promises have to be upkept? Do they have to be kept if the situation changes and they're no longer the correct decision? Do they have to be upkept in special circumstances such as Covid/WW3/etc? Though I would love a system where applicants list their main plans and their progress (not as done or not but as references to legsilation changes, etc) gets officially documented after their term. It won't be wildly useful but it doesn't sound like too much work either.

I like local governance but you have the same issue on a different scale. Whether the president or the governor runs the show I'd want them to be replaceable in a timely manner and to have a little fire under their ass.

Moving your feet is something I also do but I'm not sure is sustainable. What you get is people going to more social places in the beginning of their adult life to get as much support as possible and then move to the most capitalistic places possible once they start earning big money to pay less taxes/have more buying power. How many people do that, I don't know. In my circles it's a lot and I'm one of them.

It's one of those perfect is the opposite of good things though since centralised politics isn't really better either..

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by lazyasciiart »

eru wrote: post #442
smcl wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait so the real issue you have is with foreigners, or what's the point here? If he was born in Germany it would've been ok? Don't dance around your point, just be explicit.

If you go back up the thread, you will notice that I originally ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43407532 ) brought up the point that restricting who Americans can vote for is a bit silly, and that includes banning them from voting for foreigners. If the voters want a foreigner, they should get a foreigner. (As long as the foreigner is willing.) I have no issues with foreigners. I think voters should be free to…

> In this subthread we were looking at the question of any actual examples of foreign born leaders causing trouble for their host country.

No, we were looking for foreign born leaders who caused trouble because they were puppets for their birth country

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by fmg »

I think, at the end of the day, the root cause comes down to whether the judiciary is truly independent. In theory, Turkey is governed by the rule of law, with a separation of powers and secularism. In practice, however, there’s a deep divide between various subcultures and a significant lack of trust.
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