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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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In other, recent, non-related news, Columbia University revoked the diplomas of some pro-Palestine protestors[1]. The CBS headline buries the lede, but revoking diplomas is not too low for American universities. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-pro...

TIL, diplomas are not actually owned by the recipient.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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In other, recent, non-related news, Columbia University revoked the diplomas of some pro-Palestine protestors[1]. The CBS headline buries the lede, but revoking diplomas is not too low for American universities. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-pro...

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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In other, recent, non-related news, Columbia University revoked the diplomas of some pro-Palestine protestors[1]. The CBS headline buries the lede, but revoking diplomas is not too low for American universities. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-pro...

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Doesn't the sheer amount of dissonance make you think twice though? Maybe just a little bit? Consider the commitments you need to make and secondary beliefs you need to have, just to keep this narrative alive right now. You have pretty much implied this point yourself. I can't truly imagine what it must be like to live in the world you do, and I am sorry.

I mean, the world is not much better for the other side I guess, but at least there there is sense of international solidarity, fighting for a common struggle; that the bad guys are specific and nuance in everything is structurally required. It just seems like you need to literally sign on to having gang stalker mentality about the whole world, all because there is one big thing you can't possibly question.

I am truly sorry for how this has affected you, nothing bad deserves to happen to you either way, truly.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still crazy that diplomas can be revoked for non-academic problems. Diplomas should only be able to be revoked if it turns out they were gained using academic misconduct (in my opinion). If I murder someone during my diploma, get the diploma, and then get caught, will the diploma be taken away? How does that make sense?

If you murder someone on the campus of the university , then yes, they might cancel your degree.

Why?

What if you murder someone off campus? Is the moral issue the location the murder occurred?

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

#107

In other, recent, non-related news, Columbia University revoked the diplomas of some pro-Palestine protestors[1]. The CBS headline buries the lede, but revoking diplomas is not too low for American universities. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-pro...

How would they revoke someone's degree in either country? Do they break into someone's house and steal the piece of paper? A degree is awarded by the institution but I don't see how they could then claim that they did not meet the requirements for the degree retroactively absent some proof of academic misconduct. What possible difference would such a renovation make to anyone outside the university?

They will deny that you have a degree from them if asked. The difference it can make:

When a future employer has degree requirements, the university will say "no, he has no degree from here" when someone calls to check, closing off all sorts of jobs.

If someone is doing a background check, the "claims a fancy degree but the school denies it" line is not going to look good.

Etc.

Sure the person still has the education, but they haven't got the right credentials in a verifiable way.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one of those countries has a president who basically tried to stage a coup, and now are back in power ignoring any rule of law President Yoon of South Korea has been suspended since December, as a result of the martial law incident and the following impeachment. (Actually, Yoon's prime minister, who first became acting President, was also impeached and suspended. It's someone else now.)

He was talking about Trump

Exactly.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

#109

In other, recent, non-related news, Columbia University revoked the diplomas of some pro-Palestine protestors[1]. The CBS headline buries the lede, but revoking diplomas is not too low for American universities. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-pro...

How would they revoke someone's degree in either country? Do they break into someone's house and steal the piece of paper? A degree is awarded by the institution but I don't see how they could then claim that they did not meet the requirements for the degree retroactively absent some proof of academic misconduct. What possible difference would such a renovation make to anyone outside the university?

The value of a degree is in that the institution confirms, at any request, that said person has that degree.

It's not the paper.

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