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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by locallost »

codemusings wrote: post #396
locallost wrote: post #198

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Deutsche Bahn pays for the usage of the infrastructure just like any other company using it (e.g. Flix or any of the regional carriers). The infrastructure is the responsibility of DV InfraGO (formerly DB Netz).

What are you talking about? DB Infrago is a subsidiary of DB and is as such governed by the board. The fact that they are separate entities has purely corporate legal reasons.

Deutsche Bahn still pays for the usage of the infrastructure and has nothing to do with maintaining it.

They are separate entities because it's mandated by the EU, the idea being it should promote competition in rail transport.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wolverine876 »

close04 wrote: post #459
wolverine876 wrote: post #416

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It's usually on public property, or sometimes on corporate property. I don't think I've seen much graffiti on some private individual's property. It's not on the front of people's houses. > Most graffiti is just trash People say that about modern art, and about that crazy 'rock'n'roll'!

> It’s usually on public property Which gets cleaned up with public money that could be used elsewhere, or stays there as an eyesore. > It’s not on the front of people’s houses. Sometimes the sides too. > people say that about modern art, and about that crazy 'rock'n'roll'! Did you just compare modern art and rock and roll to the few letter “tag” sprayed in 10 seconds again and again hundreds of time throughout a cit…

Maybe I just have a different perspective than you; it's not a mistake to disagree with you - or vice versa. Unless we're interested in the world outside our perspecitve, how will we learn anything new?

> Did you just compare modern art and rock and roll to the few letter “tag” sprayed in 10 seconds again and again hundreds of time throughout a city?

Yes! That's what rock'n'roll is at its core, three chords (or fewer) and the truth, and that's how it was characterized - artless noise, etc.

  People try to put us d-down
  Just because we get around
  Things they do look awful c-c-cold
  I hope I die before I get old
Much modern art is constantly ridiculed - 'I could do that myself!'

> Because that’s what 99.99% of graffiti is, simple tags and doodles [0][1] anyone can make.

It's just noise, I tell you!

Now get off my lawn geezer! :p :)

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by schmorptron »

dgfitz wrote: post #439
Vinnl wrote: post #380

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At some point someone made me realise that almost anything that can be said about graffiti can also be said about outdoor advertising.

One is vandalism, which is a crime, and one is not. There, we have at least one delta now.

I much prefer graffiti to advertising. Sure, I wouldn't mind if amateur tags disappeared, but more intricate tags and mural-like designs that prop up from more experienced graffiti artists are something I enjoy, and they are part of what give the city it's vibe.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by atoav »

soco wrote: post #189
atoav wrote: post #181

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As someone with an art degree (with no great admiration for street art per sé) I have to ask one question: Could you imagine that one person's "defaced" is another person's "finally some colors"? The destruction of property, trespassing etc. is obviously on the wrong side of the law, but on purely aesthetical terms this could be argued either way making it for that narrow category a subjective thing. Proponents of gr…

Let's be honest, 99.999% of graffiti is smeared black lines barely recognizable as tags, over more smeared tags and curse words and just dirt. If that is aesthetic, we might have a very different definition of aesthetic than the art schools you mention. Do I see sometimes street art? Yes, but almost never on such places - the real street art is one done on commission (I assume) on some private house walls, while the…

I am not sure what you think the word aesthetic means. Aesthetic as a concept is about the style and the visual makeup of a thing — this means the aesthetic of a thing can also be ugly, dirty, distorted, weird, childish, funny, fucked up, silly, as many things in the canon of art history have been. Aesthetic as an adjective as it is used in daily life is somewhat linked to the idea of beauty, but the ideas of what is beautiful vary wildy not only throughout history, but between individuals as well. But I did not use the latter. Everything has an aesthetic. Yeah even cheap, consumerist, trash nobody seems to like.

I am not arguing I personally think tag smeared walls are aesthetical, but I argue that there are people who do indeed do. But most noise-protection-wall-graffiti where I live isn't tagged smearing. If we go by area easily 80% are big colorful motives.

Having known people who do these things I also know that for them the "where" is sometimes more important than the precise what and while the aesthetics won't convince me personally I can't say that I never asked myself the question: "How the hell did they manage to paint this thing in that location?"

And I don't see train stations on instagram, because I don't follow people who post them. But I also don't see couples posting their vacation photos or influencers selfies for the same reason. If I did follow them I would see them.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by helboi4 »

shermantanktop wrote: post #392
helboi4 wrote: post #383

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If it was a swastika or the n-word I would be very concerned about the nature of the community in that neighbourhood and if I'm in danger. But in terms of how i'd deal with kids seeing it, I'd take it as a teachable moment. I don't have to hide my kids from everything I don't believe in (besides they probably see crazy shit online anyway), I just need to teach them how to deal with it. Anyway, theres a wall near wher…

A “teachable moment” like this is not how childless people imagine it to be, with the parent didactically educating the child with words of wisdom. Instead, the kid absorbs what they see or hear and it appears later on in their drawings or what they say on the playground. Children understand the power of transgression and all ideas are eligible for them to play with.

Bro I knew what a swastika and the nword was at that age. And yeah, probably I took them too lightly sometimes because I was a kid and its a learning process. But I knew they were wrong. Because my parents taught me right and wrong. How stupid do you think kids are? I used to pray for the victims of ww2 when they told us to pray in assembly. I wasn't a 6 year old neo-nazi because I knew what a swastika looked like.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wkat4242 »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #371
nonrandomstring wrote: post #274

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> I wish more people would work on noise pollution Absolutely agree. It's one of the most insidious kinds of pollution that has big effects on mental and cardio-vascular health, and is accumulative. Everything from aircraft, to emergency vehicle sirens, to construction and poor housing, is slowly killing people. In Europe we've actually made big leaps forward with regulation, building standards for isolation, and aba…

Contrast with John von Neumann, who "could not work without some noise or at least the possibility of noise. Some of his best work was done in crowded railroad stations and airports, trains, planes, ships, hotel lobbies, lively cocktail parties or even among a bunch of shrieking very minor minors whooping it up."

Of course going from silence to noise is trivial in this day and age. Going from noisy to silence is still difficult even with the best ANC.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by dgfitz »

schmorptron wrote: post #465
dgfitz wrote: post #439

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One is vandalism, which is a crime, and one is not. There, we have at least one delta now.

I much prefer graffiti to advertising. Sure, I wouldn't mind if amateur tags disappeared, but more intricate tags and mural-like designs that prop up from more experienced graffiti artists are something I enjoy, and they are part of what give the city it's vibe.

You must live in Paris.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by veunes »

earthnail wrote: post #185

I love this. I read so much criticism here, but noise pollution is a main issue when it comes to railroads in residential zones. Yes, punctuality is an issue with Deutsche Bahn. No, this doesn’t fix that instantly. But as an organisation you can work on two things at the same time. This invention is spectacular. I wish more people would work on noise pollution. It makes a huge difference.

Noise pollution is an issue that often doesn't receive the attention it deserves!
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