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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

As someone with an art degree (with no great admiration for street art per sé) I have to ask one question:

Could you imagine that one person's "defaced" is another person's "finally some colors"?

The destruction of property, trespassing etc. is obviously on the wrong side of the law, but on purely aesthetical terms this could be argued either way making it for that narrow category a subjective thing. Proponents of graffiti could argue you cannot deface a faceless thing, opponents would argue they like their lawn short, their fence white, the sky blue. One persons order is another persons prison.

Note that I tried to look at the aesthetic question while ignoring the legal question — mainly because you made an aesthetic argument. For many people the two would be entangled however: Something being illegal makes them look at the result unfavourable, even if a similar legal wall mural would strike them as aesthetically superior to the 10 years weathered white wall that it was before.

As an art person I really see truly good graffiti, yet I have to notice that heavily graffitied parts of my city are tourist magnets — so many people tend to like those "defaced" walls.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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This article goes into a little more detail: https://www.heise.de/en/news/MetaWindow-Laermschutz-an-Gleis... And the PhotonicVibes site is here: https://phononic-vibes.com/metawindow-for-railway/ Here is a demo video for a meta material made by them: https://youtu.be/NElK8qKRrBU?si=CfBjUESlu_XUvnn_

That's a really cool demo!

Honestly, that demo alone would be enough to get funding at any demo day, really cool stuff.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

I have never seen a good looking graffiti which was defacing public property. Granted, I have seen competent images which obviously were commissioned by building owners. All of it was bad art though and immensely displeasing.

There are a few here that are actually pretty good:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=40...

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

It’s always a struggle for me to accept that many people actually like graffiti. Maybe graffiti can add flavour to a city if it’s really drab and ugly (although I’m not too sure about this), but it only defiles cities which are aesthetically pleasing and beautiful. The technicality of graffiti has little to do with its appeal or it’s appropriateness. Something can be hard to make but still be garbage and/or misplaced…

Most so-called ‘pleasing’ cities are full of advertisement pollution. If I have to choose one of them, I’d choose art over advertising.

I wish people would be as much against advertising as they are against graffiti.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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I love this. I read so much criticism here, but noise pollution is a main issue when it comes to railroads in residential zones.

Yes, punctuality is an issue with Deutsche Bahn. No, this doesn’t fix that instantly. But as an organisation you can work on two things at the same time.

This invention is spectacular. I wish more people would work on noise pollution. It makes a huge difference.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

That's because the current ones are all ugly metal walls. Painting stuff on them makes it at least slightly less depressing.

Do you think this "MetaWindow" is much more attractive? Here's a similar looking transparent sound barrier in a new building area that is already starting to be covered in graffiti: https://youtu.be/e7-Fd1HOw_g?si=OTNn_NyV_W7iJStz&t=265

At least some light will still get through in the gaps between graffiti, but I don't think they will end up looking much different than non-transparent barriers.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Most houses in Germany are not covered in graffiti.

Except in Berlin. My house front is covered completely with ugly tags. Not even nice graffiti. My 2 year old can draw better.

Same here, especially since they put scaffolding for construction work on our building.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Are graffiti artists not part of the public? What makes a billboard, for example, more legitimate than graffiti?

consent. same as the difference between a shower and getting caught out in the rain

I never consent to billboards.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

As someone with an art degree (with no great admiration for street art per sé) I have to ask one question: Could you imagine that one person's "defaced" is another person's "finally some colors"? The destruction of property, trespassing etc. is obviously on the wrong side of the law, but on purely aesthetical terms this could be argued either way making it for that narrow category a subjective thing. Proponents of gr…

Let's be honest, 99.999% of graffiti is smeared black lines barely recognizable as tags, over more smeared tags and curse words and just dirt. If that is aesthetic, we might have a very different definition of aesthetic than the art schools you mention. Do I see sometimes street art? Yes, but almost never on such places - the real street art is one done on commission (I assume) on some private house walls, while the rest is at best ignored. There's a reason you never see trains stations on Instagram.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

Isn't vandalism an offense in Germany?

Almost everywhere, but it's fairly low priority and impossible to prosecute without Orwellian levels of surveillance.
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