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Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by culopatin »

jeroenhd wrote: post #437
culopatin wrote: post #426

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Probably because labor laws, taxes, and fuel being 2x more expensive in Europe than in the US make logistics more expensive? Operation cost vary by region. Also 740 is with tax, which for example in France is 20%, so the comparison price would be 592. So about $100 difference.

A 20% price increase before VAT is still expensive, especially because American wages are much higher (and often come with a higher cost of living, yes, but that still makes it easier to save up for a tablet). Another advantage is that most of Europe is more densely populated. Google sells their 500 dollar tablets for the same price everywhere within the states, whether you live in the center of New York or the middl…

Is it? We’re both speculating here. I’m sure they evaluated the market and found that’s the price they need to sell at. My best friend works doing supply planning and has worked for multinational companies in a variety of fields from pharmaceuticals to electronic components, to clothing. Through talking to him I learned that costs vary by region greatly, and it’s never because of what you think. It’s less “just taxes”, and more related to localized political situations, union, small supply chain variables or just simply marketing.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by beojan »

indigomm wrote: post #19
beojan wrote: post #13

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Back when it was $2 = £1 prices seemed to be converted at a 1 - 1 rate (and VAT was 17.5% then). This seems to be a long standing problem.

The 1:1 at least had some rationale given UK VAT and greater expenses. But this is 50% more expensive ($499 is £399 at current rates). And why use different rates for the Fold than the Tablet?

1:1 then meant a 100% markup compared to the US price. That isn't accounted for by 17.5% VAT. I can't imagine expenses were really twice as high.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by goblin89 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #452
hackernewds wrote: post #379

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my ipad 2018 is pretty obsolete already. it can't be updated due to speed and hardware issues, and most apps won't work on the old os

My 2019 iPad Pro is kind of obsolete, its battery life isn’t great. But it still does mostly what I need it to do, so I can’t bring myself to buy a new one.

I own one device that I cannot imagine wanting to upgrade or call “obsolete” in foreseeable future: the 2018[0] 256 GB third generation 13-inch iPad Pro.

Granted, in my workflow it faces fewer demands than for example a laptop or phone (I don’t program on iPad or use it for full media production workflow), I don’t rely on it day in day out like I do on those devices, and perhaps I will change my mind once it stops receiving updates, but all of what it needs to do it just does (communication, leisure, music/art playground) and had been doing for years with no noticeable degradation. Somehow I have a soft spot for this particular trusty shiny rectangle.

[0] Replaced in 2020 due to no fault of its own but my idiocy that resulted in broken screen. Incidentally, with expired AppleCare+ that cost me around half of the original price. I’m not super wealthy but I don’t regret this specific expense.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by chefandy »

Freedom2 wrote: post #279
chefandy wrote: post #275

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I'm not currently in the apple ecosystem at all, but am a long-time apple product user and have been on a first-name basis with hundreds of iPhone users since they came out. 100% of the awful statements and stances towards the android ecosystem or any of its constituents I've seen attributed to "apple fans" have come from people mad at apple and apple users. Zero percent– really— have I heard from actual Apple users.…

>If there's a trove of apple users somewhere that have strong opinions about Android phones Is using /r/apple cheating? ;) To be clear, I envy Apple's long-term support for their products and no one can deny the fantastic build quality. I know that MacBooks can occasionally get some dislike here, but I genuinely really like the few I have, aside from my butterfly keyboard one, which is the odd child of the bunch. The…

While I don't think online fan communities represent anything except weird online behavior, it doesn't even matter. Go to /r/Apple and look for people specifically proclaiming the superiority of iphones over android devices. Surely, there are some, but even in there, the vast majority of users just don't give a shit. However, if a search results point me to reddit when looking up something up about my Samsung phone, you'd think it was a Red Sox VS. Yankees rivalry. It's a one-sided rivalry between two user bases. It's bizarre. It's a phone. It's someone else's phone.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by eddieroger »

locallost wrote: post #428

I am not really am Apple person, but I always wondered why the iPad is almost always better priced or in the same range as Android tablets when they are clearly better. At the same time I have an Android phone and don't know why a comparable iPhone is 2x the price. Not saying this is a bad tablet, and I like my Pixel phone, but if they will fight the iPad they need to be competitive on pricing and this isn't, especia…

Because people are willing to pay it. I also think it's worth looking at the lifespan of an Apple device compared. Lots of chatter on these threads about iPads getting release updates for years following release, where Pixels get 18 months if they're lucky. I am content spending 2x the price on a device if I can keep it for 2x+ years.

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Post by freedomben »

scarface_74 wrote: post #441
m45t3r wrote: post #427

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I would argue it still is, because I am sure most Android apps still supports Android 9. Google is also much more serious about backward compatibility than Apple, and go a long way to make sure that Android APIs has backwards compatibility between multiple versions of it, see https://developer.android.com/topic/libraries/support-librar... and https://developer.android.com/jetpack/androidx . So as long your device is…

The original poster just said that some apps required the latest OS. iOS 16 supports all phones back to the iPhone 8/X released in 2017. > This is very different from iOS that once it stops receiving updates, you're pretty much screwed up. Apple just released a security patch for the iPhone 5s January of this year. It was released September 2013. It was the first 64 bit iPhone and the first that supported LTE. Is Goo…

> Is Google or any Android manufacturer doing security updates for a phone released in 2013?

lol, goal posts moved.

To demonstrate the absurdity of this logic, let's talk about how much better Linux is than Apple. Linux (various distributions, collectively referred to here as "linux" for convenience) still supports many systems that are 20+ years old! In fact, Linux is often used to give unsupported Apple devices a longer lease on life. Does Apple do that?

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Post by Uehreka »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #349
makeitdouble wrote: post #305

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Apple isn't good at charging. There's a lot of aspect they excel, graphic design, ergonomics, material etc. Charging has never been their forte. I present as evidence: - the original humongous 31 pin ipod cable - the harpooned mouse - the wireless charging mat they never could deliver - the first Apple pencil (and its usb-c charging cable...) - their previous gen desktop keyboards charging over lightning Their only g…

>Apple isn't good at charging. They're pretty good at changing how you charge every few years and charging you for that change though.

Oh it’s you! The hypothetical person who gets mad about a once-in-a-decade charger change! I’ve heard so much about you in every discussion ever about why Apple hasn’t moved the iPhone to USB-C, you’re very influential.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by raisedbyninjas »

drcongo wrote: post #354
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #349

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>Apple isn't good at charging. They're pretty good at changing how you charge every few years and charging you for that change though.

Lightning out-lived micro USB, two types of mini USB and a thousand proprietary device specific connectors. What are you talking about?

Lightning was put on the iPhone in 2012. Other phone manufacturers switched to micro-USB in 2009 at the behest of the EU. Apple even released a micro-USB -> 30 pin connector to comply with the law.

Digital cameras, and other devices do have a habit of picking other connectors.

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