Kanye West is buying Parler • Hacker News Board

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by qq66 » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:21 PM UTC

spywaregorilla wrote: post #306

AlwaysRock wrote: post #213

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

As someone who doesn't listen to much rap / hip hop, and can only name his cover (adaptation?) of Stronger, I do know who Kanye is. I don't know anything about his music. Mostly I just know of him because he's a very public asshole. Much like his wife. I find it basically impossible to empathize with him. I just wouldn't ever be in that situation. "Rising against adversity" is not the story I'd be be using here so mu…

> Mostly I just know of him because he's a very public asshole. Much like his wife.

By "his wife" do you mean his ex-wife Kim Kardashian? If so, in what ways is she an asshole?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by npteljes » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

coinbasetwwa wrote: post #304

mind-blight wrote: post #244

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He's diagnosed bipolar, so mental illness is definitely in the mix.

Good thing we have Kanye’s physician in the comments to make that determination.

Source: https://people.com/music/kanye-west-opens-up-about-bipolar-d...

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by aerostable_slug » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

winternett wrote: post #324

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

he is a victim of his own choices... I don't want to sound callous, but to be honest, we all face a much more harsh and unforgiving future than him if we made the same mistakes. He has squandered the good faith he built over many years by making bad decisions. Somehow he generated wealth out of it all, but continued to make bad decisions in hopes of hanging on to his dramatic public personality/popularity. It's not f…

> he is a victim of his own choices...

Would you say the same about a schizophrenic who refuses to stay on his meds and ends up ranting at people while living under a bridge?

People with bipolar disorder sometimes won't take their meds for a variety reasons, one being they seek the energy of manic episodes (one in my acquaintance had only had one major manic episode in her entire life but she put up with depression for years in hope of having another one).

Kanye West has stated in interviews that he's a.) bipolar and b.) doesn't take his meds because they interfere with his creative process. This man is not well.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by tptacek » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #458

P0l83q4p1Hw3Ul wrote: post #320

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Is Elon Musk being scammed by Twitter? Same situation. Can't a rich dude buy a company without goofy rumors being spread (scammed into buying Parler)? Having a celebrity owner increases the value.

> Is Elon Musk being scammed by Twitter? Twitter clearly took full advantage of his irrational hard on to get a signed deal. Not “being scammed” in that Twitter very nuch did not seek out the deal, but they certainly fully leveraged his willingness to toss out preconditions any sane purchaser would demand. > Having a celebrity owner increases the value. As a mascot, maybe, unless they are polarizing and their area of…

Twitter didn't want to sell to him in the first place. Musk's buyout offer took place in the context of a months-long drama about Musk being on the board. It's hard to look at the Musk/Twitter situation and say that it was driven forward by anyone other than Musk.

(I have no particular reason to believe Musk is in anything less than full control of his faculties.)

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Post by MaxfordAndSons » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #289

aborochoff wrote: post #195

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So apparently its evident to a lot of people on hacker news that kanye has a mental illness and is making bad decisions because of it. If this is the case why hasnt someone tried to take power of attorney or something similar here?

> power of attorney My grandma is beginning to look like she has dementia. But we, as a family, aren't at a point where we're thinking of taking away her agency. She's a proud woman and always has been. In many cases, its probably better for the person for them to keep their agency. If they're only going to lose money, its really not that big of a deal. We're more concerned about what if she has a fall by herself or…

My mother is in the early/mid stages of dementia, and she recently granted my father and I power of attorney. It doesn't have to be a "taking away" if they can be convinced that it's in their best interested. Admittedly ymmv, it helps that my mother is a retired psychologist. Also it's hardly a "solution"; it's merely a mitigation. In the months before we did it my mother had been scammed out of thousands of dollars multiple times. There are so many scammers out there targeting the elderly/mentally ill, it's only matter of when not if.

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Post by AzzieElbab » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

Are we going to end up with a social network per celebrity at some point?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by anoonmoose » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

logicalmonster wrote: post #436

anoonmoose wrote: post #404

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He has personally admitted to being diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

I never want to be engaged in mind-reading, but it seems to me that the people who are shouting about him being mentally ill the loudest are doing so in a way to justify stifling everything he says, as if saying "he's mentally ill" ends any conceivable discussion about any of his ideas. I think my general question remains. "How could an average outside observer distinguish between another's mental illness and a guy w…

In my opinion there's no real discussion to be had on the things he is saying recently, so dismissing them as the rantings of a mentally ill man is the most charitable thing to do. If he's not mentally ill, then he's an extremely ill-informed anti-Semite who either believes outlandish things or pretends to for engagement.

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Post by asdff » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

paulpauper wrote: post #165

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

People keep saying he's sick or he is wrong, yet his popularity keeps growing. Same for net worth. His tweets are getting 3-5x the engagement compared to a year ago. Maybe it's all part of the act.

Does engagement mean he is truly popular or that people are tuning into the spectacle? I think it would be true for most celebrities sliding into mental decline that their more deranged tweets would get a lot more eyes on them.

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Post by diceduckmonk » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

"Great Minds Discuss Ideas. Average Minds Discuss Events. Small Minds Discuss People."

I feel there's already disproportionate discussion here about a person and their cult of personality here. This doesn't feel quite in the spirit of HN. Even during the Elon Musk Twitter debacles there was still separate threads about the business dynamics and whether he is playing some kind of 4D chess. The attempts to quickly discredits Ye West's other accomplishment feels borderline like anti-blackness, except with the passive aggressive pretense of being concerned about his mental well-being. For example, Kanye West was part of the Fendi intern cohort which, as a former fashion design student myself, I find to be far more exclusive and prestigious than a Google internship (which I was offered). He's not just a musician but he's behind the scenes for making other established artists including Jay-Z and Beyonce, also billionaires. Even the title of the article being "Kanye West is buying Parler" feels disrespect when he said he goes by Ye, now. This is inconsistent with tech's community plight of respecting self-identification.

This is a community to talk about entrepreneurship, so let's talk about that. How are people jumping to the conclusion that he is being "scammed" without even knowing the terms of the deal? On that note, how much do you think this acquisition will go for? I noticed Parler has 3.3K ratings average 3 stars on the IOs App Store and Truth Social has 121k, averaging 4.5 stars. I will go out on a limb and question whether the 4D chess with Twitter and Parler will somehow involve Truth Social / DWAC.

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Post by luckylion » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

nonameiguess wrote: post #263

impowski wrote: post #19

I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will on…

> I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” Are you sure? It's been a few years since I purged all social media from my life, but three years ago, it was going around and seemingly well-documented with screenshots that saying "men are trash" would get your post auto-deleted and your account sanctioned on Facebook. This seems like another of those things where extremists on all sides believe they're…

I believe that's because Facebook gave itself some actual rules and then enforced them, regardless of who said it and who was the subject of the post, they treated all groups the same. Twitter or Reddit do not.