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Post by brigade »

kfprt wrote: post #212
d3nj4l wrote: post #35

These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…

I believe the 3070 uses a different die from the mobile 3070. The mobile and discrete parts have completely diverged so comparisons are meaningless. Laptop GPU performance is entirely a question of power and cooling.

They're both GA104, but the desktop version does have 15% more cores enabled and 30% higher clocks.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by dont__panic »

nbzso wrote: post #399

Nice. Ports are back. Very nice. Prices are up. Not nice. The deal breaker is the notch. Sorry Apple I am a designer. I cannot watch this 24/7. Even if the top bar is black the notch will be visible enough to distract my visual line. The more I look at this, the more I like the Framework laptop. P.S. Happy down-voting, have a nice day and stay safe.

Agreed. Icing on the cake: an incredibly specced Framework laptop is less than the starting price of the 14" MBP. And it has a 4:3 display ratio. And I can choose my ports!

I'm confused why so many people seem hellbent on convincing me that a notch is a good thing, suddenly. Can't y'all understand that I have a personal preference towards rectangular screens without any holes in them? I admit that it doesn't make the laptop unusable, but IMO it's an unacceptable compromise in a $2k+ machine (that if I specced out, I'd end up paying close to $4k for)

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by mFixman »

mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Damn, I liked the touchbar :-(

I think that Apple's biggest mistake is not making it more obvious that the bar is editable in all programs. It becomes pretty useful when you can keep only the functions that you use the most.

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Post by MaxikCZ »

sanderjd wrote: post #419
belltaco wrote: post #407

If they'd only add touchscreens. Sigh. Edit: Ouch, so many downvotes just for asking for a feature. Weird.

What for? I'm sure some people use them to draw and stuff but it seems pretty niche to me.

The laptop I bought for my dad have touchscreen "by accident", as neither of us recognized it as a feature to go for. Now he says its the best feature of the laptop, from pinching on maps to selecting checkboxes/radiobuttons. I dont know who was more surprised to find it useful.

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Post by _ph_ »

cletus wrote: post #201

And so ends the last of the Dark Days of Johnny Ive. Don't get me wrong: he innovated a lot. My theory is when Jobs died, he lost his counterbalance and his designs suddenly became without compromise (no that isn't a good thing). It's when we saw the 12" Macbook as the crusade for thinness at all costs (terrible performance, only one port, a terrible version of the macbook Air), the end of the Macbook Air (before get…

I think the 12" MacBook was a great design. The ultimate compact laptop - I even would have bought one if that day the Apple Store had one in stock. But it didn't work out technically. Maybe it had, if the Intel 10nm process had been right on schedule. With the 14 nm parts, it was just too much of a compromise. With the M2, Apple might consider bringing back that form factor, that should work nicely. And move the Air to 14", tiny bezels. That would be the outer form factor of todays 13".

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Post by entropie »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #179

what's the general need for microSD? My XPS-13 has one but I've never understood why its such a big deal. I almost never use it.

Photos. Photo journalists need often to send pictures they just took to their agencies to be in the first places in the race who brings the content first on their web page.

I actually use my microSD slot on my xps quite often for camera related stuff.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by ksec »

chrisseaton wrote: post #284
buu700 wrote: post #202

I can live without HDMI, but it never made sense to me to put SD on the chopping block. In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots? Edit: For clarity, read my reply to anamexis before responding to this.

> In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots? You use a USB-C dongle. 99% of people never use SD cards so don't care. The people who do care can use a dongle.

I am pretty sure 99% of MacBook Air user may not care.

But MacBook Pro has a different audience. Lots ( if not all ) of media professionals needs it. And I am willing to bet it is more than 1% of the MBP user base.

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Post by nuerow »

buu700 wrote: post #202

I can live without HDMI, but it never made sense to me to put SD on the chopping block. In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots? Edit: For clarity, read my reply to anamexis before responding to this.

> I can live without HDMI, but it never made sense to me to put SD on the chopping block.

HDMI means external monitor. For some (most?) an external monitor is a must-have.

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Post by throwawaysea »

t-writescode wrote: post #366
d3nj4l wrote: post #35

These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…

Where did you see the "matches the 3070" thing? When I was (admittedly) skimming the two articles, the performance metrics were all about "performance per watt" which ... doesn't mean anything for actual performance in a "how long will this scene take to render?" sort of meaning.

I don’t think we know. The Apple website shows GPU benchmarks for pro apps for the new MBPs, where there is a big performance leap relative to the top GPU from the last model. But I haven’t seen comparisons on gaming against nvidia GPUs, which I think is what would be needed to make such a claim.
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