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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by max_ »

RNCTX wrote: post #460

Does no one else see these things as flailing attempts to maintain their app store revenue? They will throw the end-users (not actual end users but businesses who pay for phone app development) to the wolves in terms of forcing them to rewrite apps so that they can have a few blog posts about "user data security," despite the fact that we know there was at least one CIA backdoor in OSX in the early 2000s until ~2015…

> we know there was at least one CIA backdoor in OSX in the early 2000s until ~2015 or so.

Where can i read up more on this?

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by amelius »

jedahan wrote: post #149
anarchogeek wrote: post #27

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

Defining account will be interesting. One definition might be: The 'account' consists of the credentials required to add or modify data associated with a human. In that case, the person deleting their private key would suffice for deleting an account. There are plenty of things this doesn't cover, or even backfires. Just interested in what other perspectives people may have. --- Scuttlebutt actually could allow for '…

An account is quite literally an account of all the data added by a user.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by RamblingCTO »

psychometry wrote: post #84
codetrotter wrote: post #5

For the most part a very good thing. Wonder what that means for third-party HN client apps though, since HN accounts cannot be deleted.

Let's hope it's a wake-up call to HN admins that they need to rescind this unjustifiable and user-hostile policy.

It's illegal under GDPR and european data protection rights anyway. You have a right to have your account and data deleted if there aren't any important reasons not to (like finance stuff).

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by tremon »

scarface74 wrote: post #427
jayd16 wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In none of those cases are you creating the account within the app. why not?

When have you been able to do a rental agreement through an app without signing paperwork?

You don't think rental customers create an account on the app to make their initial reservation, then sign the paperwork once they pick up the car?

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by leppr »

grishka wrote: post #445
onion2k wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you won't be able to continue making that app.

And this is why Apple needs to be forced to allow app sideloading on iOS. A software and hardware company shouldn't be playing police.

Or just stop buying Apple devices? That way the duopoly can shift from iOS/Android to Android/.

I realize many people are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, especially since Apple encourages that with the proprietary integrations between their different devices, but there's a point when one should realize they have a choice. It's a walled garden not a prison.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by gmadsen »

SllX wrote: post #333
kelnos wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate talking in the phone to people I don't know so intensely that I have wasted hundreds of dollars on various things because I procrastinated calling to cancel. This effect is real, and companies know it, and design their cancellation processes to extract extra money from people.

Mate, I mentioned up above that the process by which I cancelled was a chat box that intermittently ate maybe three minutes. Not mentioned was I did it while cooking breakfast. The best experience would have been no human intervention necessary, but for a process where someone was involved, it was incredibly straightforward. They gave me an offer, I refused it, and nobody had to be a dick about it and no phone calls…

Then that part has changed. I had to talk on the phone when I canceled about 8 years ago

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by threeseed »

grishka wrote: post #445
onion2k wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you won't be able to continue making that app.

And this is why Apple needs to be forced to allow app sideloading on iOS. A software and hardware company shouldn't be playing police.

Don’t buy their phones.

The rest of us will continue to because we want Apple policing apps on our behalf.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by threeseed »

saddlerustle wrote: post #443
jb1991 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This raises one notable benefit of going through Apple for all payments -- as a customer, it buffers me from dark billing patterns of any random company. Companies like 37signals don't like it and claim it hampered their relationship with customers, and that might be true in some cases, but overall it seems like a benefit for customers to have a consistency process of buying, refunding, cancelling everything they use…

PayPal does the same thing without taking a 30% cut.

The 30% cut is for the cost of the channel to market.

Not the cost of facilitating the transaction.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by tomaskafka »

jeroenhd wrote: post #40
anarchogeek wrote: post #27

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

This is why using the blockchain got user data is such a stupid idea. The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted. The same is true foor P2P services where there is no central accounting system. Deleting the account shouldn't be a problem if all the "account" info is stored on the device itself, so if your reviewers aren't completely incompetent I don't…

> The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted.

That's kinda the whole point :).

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