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My understanding was that they were being cut off by payment processors and banks and that drove the decision. Was this resolved?

I would also like to know on whether it's possible for someone to start their own payment processors? There are tutorials on how to start an ISP, so should be possible for payment processors too no?

It is. The problem is connecting to the rest of the financial system. Imagine starting an "ISP" that had not upstream connectivity. It wouldn't be an ISP then. Same problem here.

There's a few players here:

payment gateways, this is a service that provides the checkout service on a website and handles protected credit card information. Payment gateways also provide anti-fraud services.

payment processors, these execute the actual transaction. They are members of card associations like Visa and connect the card issuing bank and the merchant bank of the payee.

merchant banks, these are the banks that hold the company's bank account that the funds from the payment processor come into.

card associations, Visa/Mastercard these provide the connectivity and set the high level rules.

card issuers, these entities extend credit and may be retail banks or other parties.

there is a difference between Amex/Discover and Visa/Mastercard in that the former are also the issuer. That's why you also see Visa debit cards in Europe, they're using the payment processing network but not extending credit.

It should be clear that starting a new payment gateway is trivial. It takes money to properly comply but ultimately this is a software business. Starting a new payment processor is much harder but it doesn't matter because all payment processors must comply with the card association rules to get access to that network.

Starting your own card network would require attracting issuers who would then issue cards that people could use to pay for OnlyFans... probably not realistic!

It was the threat by Visa and MC to cut them off that was the killer here, plenty of payment processors would be happy to take their money but not if the card networks ban the company.

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Getting a degree in a field that has jobs helps too.

It helps, but for many it was/is not enough. Trust me, the job search was brutal even as a computer science graduate from MIT. I had an offer and it was revoked (and companies that I had offers from pre-pandemic would not engage anymore). I'm almost certain that I have classmates who had OF at one point during the last year and I know for certain from Twitter there's Ivy League, Cal, and Stanford students on there. E…

I wanted to add to your list of degrees of plentiful jobs.. but electrical engineering grads have no shortage of people competing to hire them.

If you include associate degrees, you can add all the skilled trades to that list. To be clear, I'm talking about all the associate applied science w/[electricial|plumbing|pipefitting|welding] programs out there.

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it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

The success of OF is more a question of demand than offer honestly. During the lockdowns they were a lot of guys with money to spend but could not spend it on social activities, so a lot of it went on internet websites. But there is also a more long term trend of people having less and less sex and more and more porno consumption. But that can't go forever, at one point if all girls in the world are on sex workers th…

I would love to see their metrics. I would imagine, like most things, they have a ton of whales so that even if a minority of guys subscribe to 50 girls there probably are plenty of people with addictions shelling out $500 or $1000 a month on this stuff. And this people could represent the majority of all payments on the site.

It also seems (from actual published data) that the distribution is super weighted towards the top performers. That being said, even an extra 1k a month is pretty sick for posting topless photos if your regular income is less than 40k or you are in school.

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My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

> People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. Once they know it's possible, people want a one click solution for anything. The subject being taboo has nothing to do with it. This is one reason why Youtube, Spotify, Steam and Netflix did such a good job combatting piracy for music, video games, and movies, while ROM sites are still a ubiquitous problem for 2…

Netflix is getting into games for a reason. It's unclear if they only play to make new ones or also license old ones.

But I agree with you, I'm surprised Steam doesn't have a way to get old ROMs.

Re: OnlyFans drops planned porn ban

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Getting a degree in a field that has jobs helps too.

It helps, but for many it was/is not enough. Trust me, the job search was brutal even as a computer science graduate from MIT. I had an offer and it was revoked (and companies that I had offers from pre-pandemic would not engage anymore). I'm almost certain that I have classmates who had OF at one point during the last year and I know for certain from Twitter there's Ivy League, Cal, and Stanford students on there. E…

As an MIT alum - if you had an offer rescinded please let the careers office know. Companies are not allowed to do that if engaging with MIT students in a meaningful way (career fairs, etc.) and MIT can and does penalize them for this (banning from fairs, etc.)

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post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

The success of OF is more a question of demand than offer honestly. During the lockdowns they were a lot of guys with money to spend but could not spend it on social activities, so a lot of it went on internet websites. But there is also a more long term trend of people having less and less sex and more and more porno consumption. But that can't go forever, at one point if all girls in the world are on sex workers th…

A long-term trend of less sex and more porno? Could you show some stats on this?

I only question that line because I can't even deal with the rest of your post.

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As demonstrated time and again by Facebook.

And youtube. Creators constantly want to move away from youtube with it's content-id with incredibly slow appeals process that makes most types of fair use nearly impossible, it's demonetization that intransparently makes your videos unprofitable because you said the wrong word or made the wrong sound, the blatant favoritism when it comes to the "trending" page, etc. But the viewers are on youtube, and network effect…

I think streaming video is a different beast, because the market is littered with loss leaders. It's hard for content creators to switch to another platform when the only profitable ones are subscription based (and not competitive).

Even Youtube, for all its users and being part of an existing advertising company, struggles to break even (reportedly).

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At a consultancy, credentials you can market when "selling" your consultants is part of the job. Depending on the field, a certain level of accredited knowledge (i.e., from a degree, or certification perhaps) is part of how the bill-rate is justified for employees at given levels. We don't have an education lock on certain roles/levels at the company I work for, but we do have roles at certain levels that require a g…

> part of how the bill-rate is justified for employees at given levels “This guy is absolute garbage, but he has a masters degree, so we charge more for him.”

The industry term is leverage but, fundamentally, yes.

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post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

The success of OF is more a question of demand than offer honestly. During the lockdowns they were a lot of guys with money to spend but could not spend it on social activities, so a lot of it went on internet websites. But there is also a more long term trend of people having less and less sex and more and more porno consumption. But that can't go forever, at one point if all girls in the world are on sex workers th…

There are plenty of bi and gay people, or people whose porn interests diverge from their attractions. It's only a problem if you assume everyone is 100% heterosexual.

Re: OnlyFans drops planned porn ban

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When are we going to see a Medium or Substack for pornographic content? Even better an opensource LAMP or MEAN stack to host your own adult entertainment site?

Not been to a porn site recently, or any media hosting site really? They all look exactly the same and offer the same features, so presumably they're already using some commodity off-the-shelf hosting platform for video, images, and live streams with sign-up and payment. The actual barrier is very few performers are popular enough on their own to be able to afford hiring people who can run servers with this software…

Most of the popular tube sites are owned/operated by the same company, MindGeek.
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