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Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Yes. It is my sincere belief that very few people notice && care enough to figure out who to contact, how to contact them and actually do it.

I agree about that. The fact that "but if 5 (or 10 or 50) people wrote them it would have an impact" I'm sceptical about. 99.9999% it would just be ignored. Campaigns with 100s of thousands of people are ignored all the time...

Thanks for explaining!

As I mentioned avove I think now is a particularly good time!

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Firefox has its own funding issues but I don’t trust a browser that exists to support a cryptocurrency.

I trust it because it’s an open source project and I can see what goes in and comes out. Of course, maybe it won’t work forever, but it works for now. I’m not a crypto person and don’t use Brave’s crypto features, but I think it’s a more sustainable future than relying on Google’s largess.

> I trust it because it’s an open source project and I can see what goes in and comes out.

That is just the browser part. The code on their servers that actually processes the data the browser collected is closed-source. In general, browser being open or closed source has no correlation with how privacy respecting it is. Chrom{e|ium} and Edge are another examples.

Pragmatically speaking there is only one thing that guarantees privacy and that is browser being zero-telemetry, regardless of if it is open source or not.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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post #202

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Just to give a contrasting data point: I always see people complaining about resource consumption in Firefox in these threads, but I have honestly almost never had trouble like this and I use it for hours every day with lots of tabs and lots of rich media websites open. It happened more in the past (maybe 5+ years ago), but I am sure some of the blame in those cases would have been down to Flash. Now that I think mor…

A friend of mine has over 4,000 tabs open in Firefox at the moment - they just never close a tab, ever. Their Firefox' memory usage is only a little higher compared to mine with 3 open tabs.

This is just a blatant lie. Come on, man!

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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post #454

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That sucks, but take the time to imagine what might be going on on the other side. There's a dev running an experiment to whitelist more combinations of the huge space of (Device, CPU, GPU, OS, OSVersion, Browser, BrowserVersion) to use that feature. What would you do after seeing that the metrics show that most of the users on your experiment had a bad experience? In that case you'd want to rollback your experiment…

yeah I'm over fetching indeed :') A/B testing sucks, they should've let me know it was an experiment, I had high hopes

Yeah, there's definitely room for improvement there, but I feel that it'd only target more advanced users.

I'd like that you could opt-in into being aware of the experiments you are running, and be allowed to opt-out early of experiments when they don't work, or sign-up to run them permanently (as long as they are actually running) if they work great.

Although, letting users know about the experiments might also ruins some experiments as users could start assuming that the experiment really changes things. I imagine you can easily run a dummy experiment and have people talk about how much faster/slower their browser runs with it.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Brave does. They call it profiles, I think.

Assuming we are talking about the same thing, it's absolutely not the same as containers. It'd be the same as Chrome profiles, or Firefox profiles for that matter. Containers allow you to have separate sandboxes within the same instance of the browser.

Ah. You are right. Well that’s a very cool feature that I wasn’t aware of.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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post #202

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A friend of mine has over 4,000 tabs open in Firefox at the moment - they just never close a tab, ever. Their Firefox' memory usage is only a little higher compared to mine with 3 open tabs.

This is just a blatant lie. Come on, man!

I can believe it. I have over 2,000 tabs open over the last year. Before the last "clean up", I had 4,000 tabs open. As GP noted, most of them are unloaded (I would say around 3/4). I have 32GB RAM, so firefox issues are a distant memory. (pun intended)

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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post #202

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A friend of mine has over 4,000 tabs open in Firefox at the moment - they just never close a tab, ever. Their Firefox' memory usage is only a little higher compared to mine with 3 open tabs.

This is just a blatant lie. Come on, man!

Nope, it's possible, as long as most of the tabs stay around inactive. (Sadly it doesn't handle too many tabs becoming loaded very well, so if you hit the limit it usually ends with something crashing...)

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Can confirm. Writing this from Brave on my iPhone.

Does Apple still require using Safari as the engine for all browsers on iPhone or has that changed?

Apple requires WebKit to be web rendering engine for all browsers. Safari is one of 100+ browsers on iPhone.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

Between Firefox and Chrome, the performance is almost identical. What is different is the smooth scrolling behaviour: it is far smoother in chrome than in Firefox, and that has a dramatic impact on how performant the browser “feels.” If Firefox tinkered with that a bit, it would be game changing.

(The few times I’ve had perf issues in Firefox were all either addons or sites designed to work only in chrome)

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