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Four times I felt discriminated against for being a female developer

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Re: Four times I felt discriminated against for being a female developer

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The Rooney Rule sounds good in theory, and yet 28 out of 32 head coaches in the NFL are white. (For reference, only about 25 percent of NFL players are white.)

How many were white before the Rooney rule?

30 of 32.

Re: Four times I felt discriminated against for being a female developer

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What’s funny to me is that people are only complaining about diversity in the US and Europe. Although I have seen a few articles about class based diversity in Latin America and India. Maybe I am missing something but I don’t see complaints about diversity in Arabia, Persia, African Regions, Asian regions. Yet there are historic multi-ethnic conflicts in most of not all of these areas. Take the Hausa, Fula, Igbo, and…

Diversity in the West basically means 'Not Just White People' due to historical power asymmetries, and the fact that at least in the 'New World', 'race' is not supposed to be a defining feature of national identity, or at least for some. It's slightly more of a paradox outside the New World because ethnicity and nationality are really tightly intertwined.

Power asymmetries are not always and not simply the result of a lack of "diversity".

Power asymmetry can be the result of a variety of interactions between a variety of factors-- not just "lack of diversity".

For example, a power asymmetry might result from information asymmetry, and information acquisition does not necessarily require [political/economic] power.

Also, a power asymmetry might result from a competency or cultural asymmetry (such as "need for achievement" *), which are also not necessarily due to a "lack of diversity".

Competency or cultural asymmetry can result from cultural or sociological tendencies of a given group to promote certain activities for their particularly culturally nuanced view of "status".

Power can also be a geographical asymmetry. And a demographic one, in terms of political economics.

* "Need for achievement (N-Ach) is an individual's desire for significant accomplishment, mastering of skills, control, or high standards. The term was first used by Henry Murray and associated with a range of actions. These include: "intense, prolonged and repeated efforts to accomplish something difficult." . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_achievement

Re: Four times I felt discriminated against for being a female developer

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Most of us were raised that way. This phenomenon of everything being about what color you are is relatively new and orders of magnitude more controversial than its pushers like to admit.

> This phenomenon of everything being about what color you are is relatively new If by “is relatively new” you mean “very briefly receded before returning”, sure. The whole “we are living in a post-racial society” thing was trendy for about the second half of 00s, but fell apart fairly rapidly in the early 2010s.i > and orders of magnitude more controversial than its pushers like to admit. No one, anywhere, disputes…

The people pushing the idea absolutely do pretend it is not controversial. It is "just the right thing to do", " any good person would do it", "it is just being decent" these are the sorts of justifications for it so as to frame it as noncontroversial.

Re: Four times I felt discriminated against for being a female developer

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First, that's maybe acceptable if you live in a place with such a great math education program available in the public system, but most of the world does not and limiting the options of people in a region to only attend the public option creates a local maxima. What if someone were in a region where the math education program was #100 in the world? Would it not be reasonable to want to create a private program provid…

If the education is not good enough, the solution is to make it better. As a society, we made the decision that it is not fair for children of richer parents to be able to have much better education that the rest, and instead made it better for everyone. Since you insist on stating it in terms of freedom, we traded freedom from the obligation of public schooling for the freedom to have high quality education (and thu…

This isn't just a matter of richness. It is also a matter of how much parents are willing to invest in their children's education. I know many "poor" parents that invest a great deal in their kids' eduction (time and money) and many "wealthier" parents that invest less. We shouldn't punish those who are willing to give more to their own kids' education. How do you handle this in a "fair" way - can't force people to care about their kids more.
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