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Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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A modern browser is a MUCH larger codebase.

Well perhaps if browsers didn't try to cram every feature of a desktop operating system into their own runtime, it wouldn't be? Seriously. Chrome and Firefox are both guilty of this.

Okay, support every CSS & JS DOM/API feature without doing so. Create your own browser, and get people to actually use it.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Funny, in about the same period ~27 years or so, I've seen enough PSU failures alone, that I always use a UPS. I've seen ram that failed a couple times, quite a few motherboards die in the early 00's. A MB that was DOA and a video card that died after a year. Oh, and a first gen Intel SSD that suddenly thought it was an 8mb drive. I still prefer to DIY for value... my 4790k build lasted 5 years, just put together a n…

What's really funny is in the late 1990s and early 2000s I always overclocked my systems because it gave a noticeable FPS boost in the games I played. Dual Celerons (physical chips) running 366@550 (a classic) and then a Pentium III 733@900 which was a huge upgrade, especially for a consistent 125 FPS in Quake 2 / 3. My 2 legit failures were an old IDE HDD that audibly clicked like crazy for months before failing com…

Oh yeah... I've also had a few HDDs fail too... Two that were in Raid-1 within a week or so of each other (before the RMA for the first drive came back).

Aside, kernel (5.3) and drivers (mesa 19.3) are all updated, can finally drop in the rx5700xt card I'd been sitting on and play with it. Amazing how many things are working without issue via Steam's Proton (Wine, dxvk, etc)

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Yea, I remember when PowerMacs could be had at a wide variety of price points. That was nice. If Apple doesn't want to serve the "I need a decently powerful machine but don't want to waste money on what is basically a status symbol" market, maybe they should license MacOS to someone who does. Something like that might actually bring me back to the platform. As it is, I stick to PCs running Linux.

Yeah, I've waited years for this machine, was excited when it came out, and in an epiphany last night, will probably pass on it and opt for a beefed up Mac Book Pro instead. It will be cheaper and fill my needs.

I'm a programmer. If I want to prototype a multi-component stack, I've got a Raspberry Pi Cluster running K8 for that. If I want to play around with deep learning, I'll just spin up EC2 instances. Games? Let's be honest. That war was lost decades ago. I've got a good PC rig for that now. The days of a general machine to do everything are gone.

The only issue is the storage space, which I can get from a multi-bay drive enclosure.

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They’re making money, now - they have no reason to license MacOS, and all the more reason not to. Apple’s hardware/software combination is the reason a lot of us have stuck with them for so long. It’s quality control. No drivers to fuss with; just plug in and go.

>It's quality control My MacBook's keyboard disagrees

Yes. The mighty have certainly fallen since 2015.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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eGPUs have been supported for a couple years now. Grab a Mac Mini, an eGPU, max out the RAM, add an external hard drive or two, boom, your ‘pro consumer’ Mac for about $2k.

Disable System Integrity Protection so you can use an eGPU. What could go wrong? :)

I’ve never had, nor will I have, SIP enabled on any of my dev macs. There are too many things I just can’t do out of the box.

First terminal command I run on a clean install.

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I agree! I find Windows quite cumbersome and unpleasant to use and would rather pay more for macOS; not because it is a status symbol, but because it is simply a better product for me.

I find macOS cumbersome and unpleasant to use and would rather pay more for windows or linux.

It's it wonderful that you can have an opinion that works for you too?

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Not just Threadrippers, but better EPYCs as well. More PCIe lanes, more cores, cheaper (hence higher profit margin), and the only thing you really lose is AVX512 which hardly any software besides Intel MKL makes use of anyway.

Keep in mind EPYC are not workstation CPUs. They can be used like that, but they are not made for that. Different tradeoffs.

Yes, lower frequency, more cores, more PCIe lanes, more throughput. Sounds good to me, as long as they use SKUs that aren't too low in frequency.

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There's _also_ a sizable server room with temperature control (which was also woefully underpowered when we moved into the office). It's just more convenient for researchers to have a couple of GPUs locally.

You can remote GPUs pretty far these days - it’s possible to have a local system and have the cards still connected with PCI but on the other side of a wall.

You'd need 100GbE NIC and network fabric for that to not be a waste of time though. That costs more than renting an industrial portable air conditioner.
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