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This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by Kalium »

javajosh wrote: post #456
Kalium wrote: post #435

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While I'm not opposed to the notion of "consensual communication", your food analogy raises a question for me. With food, you can examine it pre-eating and have a pretty good idea of what it is and what's likely to be in it. How do you propose to determine what words you will or won't allow someone to "shovel into your brain" without allowing them access first?

I think it's pretty easy to imagine. "Would you like to see an ad for Viagra? Y/N" "I want to tell you about my views on Obama (negative). Y/N". "Would you like to hear my view on Creationism (positive). Y/N" The basic protocol requires an accurate summary of the topic and the sentiment from the initiator, and a single bit from the target. BTW this is essentially how Mormon missionaries do it ("Do you want to hear ab…

An interesting thought. My experience is that often, people don't just want to know the subject. People judge whether or not they want to hear something based on phrasing and content. At which point the question might be best phrased as "Do you want to hear me agree with you at length? Y/N"

And that seems maybe a bit silly.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by markmcdonald »

Are there any evangelical christians that have a critical assessment of this piece? I'm no longer a part of the church, but a few phrases strike me as strange ("An altar call is supposed to make you feel bad. It is supposed to make you feel guilty."; "The primary objective of the Church and the Christian faith is your confession, not your self-actualization."; "Anyone who dares challenge them and, thus, makes them “feel bad” about themselves, is a “hater,” a “bigot,” an “oppressor,” and a “victimizer.”) I'd be interested in hearing your opinion.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by pgeorgi »

ilamont wrote: post #359

The primary objective of the Church and the Christian faith is your confession I was surprised to see this. Is that an evangelical Christian belief?

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

That doesn't mean that these sins need to be confessed in the presence of a priest or something like that (as in the Roman Catholic Church), but given how God's forgiveness is what Christianity is all about, confession is a somewhat important corollary.

Assuming that God's forgiveness isn't something humans can produce while confession is, "primary objective" may be a pretty good description.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by jdeisenberg »

I parted company with the article at this line: "The primary objective of the Church and the Christian faith is your confession, not your self-actualization." That's at odds with education, which should have a goal of assisting you in living up to your full potential. (Acknowledging guilt of wrongdoing can be part of living up to one's potential, but I don't consider it a primary goal of education.)

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Post by fluxquanta »

kabdib wrote: post #228
ohitsdom wrote: post #49

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I like it, similar to what they do in some pre-marital or marriage counseling sessions. One side lists a grievance, then before the other side responds they have to repeat what they heard and get confirmation before responding. "So if I'm hearing you right, you don't like it when I... Did I understand correctly?" It feels ridiculous when you do it at first but it becomes an incredibly helpful tool.

I use this all the time. "You want to add feature X because ..." ... and then, once we've clarified what the request is all about, and I'm sure about what's going on, only then can you move in to help, offer advice, or crush their souls with a series of devastating blows. No, don't do the latter. Show your side of the story and get them to say it out loud. "Okay, you're right, putting a Perl 6 interpreter in the inte…

While I definitely agree this doesn't always work because ego gets involved, at least in my experience. Stating what you understand the situation or question to be back to the other party can often be interpreted as a challenge of their personal judgement on something that should be considered objectively.

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Post by drumdance »

ahallock wrote: post #448
darkr wrote: post #389

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> It's honestly baffling because I am sure there are hundreds of very smart people there who must realize this, including the professors and administration. Well, they can't be that smart, given they haven't yet figured out that there is no supernatural dude who lives in the sky who communicates with them telepathically, and there is no such thing as ghosts (holy or otherwise).

Or they are smart and have figured it out--figured out that religion gives them power and control over others, like any cult structure.

Or themselves. Many people find strength and fortitude in believing there is a God. I'm not one of them but I can see why they might feel that way.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by darkr »

travisby wrote: post #414
darkr wrote: post #389

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> It's honestly baffling because I am sure there are hundreds of very smart people there who must realize this, including the professors and administration. Well, they can't be that smart, given they haven't yet figured out that there is no supernatural dude who lives in the sky who communicates with them telepathically, and there is no such thing as ghosts (holy or otherwise).

Thanks for opening my eyes. I'm renouncing my religion tomorrow. You should write a book! You are very convincing. Let's not use HN as a place to destroy religion -- there's plenty of other venues for that.

I'm not trying to get you to renounce your religion, I'm just saying that there is no such thing as ghosts.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by splawn »

joeclark77 wrote: post #406
6stringmerc wrote: post #363

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Thanks for posting the Mission Statement. Got me thinking a little bit more about their "values" so I was able to quickly dredge up a course catalog. Why? I wondered what their take on Biology would be - you know, that whole Evolution thing. To wit: Biology Major — Students will demonstrate the following outcomes, upon completion of the Biology degree offered by the School of Arts and Sciences: 1. A sound basic under…

It doesn't contain the word "Creationism". The word "Creation" simply means "the universe", i.e. that which is created.

The word "Creation" only means "the universe" in the context of Creationism... so ,assuming you are correct about its meaning, the word "Creationism" isn't actually necessary to show that the sentence was created by a creationist.

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #392
edc117 wrote: post #380

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When you throw terms like 'the liberal left' into the discussion, it really derails any point you're trying to make. I'll be the first to admit I don't really watch much political discourse, but I've seen plenty of this behavior from pretty much everyone. IMO maybe, but stay objective.

The safe space and microaggression movement is primarily a left/liberal/progressive movement. That is objective.

I don't think you understand what a liberal is.
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