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Maybe that's how it works if you are doing it "right". But nobody ever seems to do Agile "right". If Agile is so hard to do right, and breaks down so badly when it's done wrong in a small way (like letting your manager in the scrum), then isn't that in itself a problem with Agile?

I don't see a problem in a manager participating. But what would the manager do if backlog is handled by the PO and work load by the dev team? I think any process would break down if a manager decides to fly solo and push extra work outside the framework, for example.

I did "Agile" for 1.5yrs and it was the least agile team I've been on so far. We never had a product owner (we were all expected to understand the user's needs enough to serve as "product owners"). We had devs and a manager, and a "scrum master"/team lead, who was one of the devs and reported directly to the manager. Our scrums were 30m+ long because the manager wanted to know every little detail, and there would be a lot of back-and-forth, most of which would be irrelevant to any given team member. Complexity poker involved guessing what number the manager wanted you to pick, and sprint reviews were two-day experiences in self-flagellation.

Not that all of this would have magically gone away if we weren't an "Agile" team but it did contribute to the problem. "Proper" Agile just doesn't fit well with the way most companies want to run their teams. So managers take Agile and make their own personal tweaks to it. Since their brand of Agile has 80% the same rules to what they read in the book, they expect to get 80-100% of the benefits of Agile. Any questioning of the actual results of this system is heresy, since Agile is a well-established management method used by many successful companies.

If that manager had picked up a management system that worked within the company's framework without making so many changes, or if there wasn't so much Agile-worship in the industry that an "Agile" setup was politically unquestionable, the situation would have been a lot easier to fix. As it is, it wasn't until our team completely collapsed that the company reassigned half of that manager's responsibilities to a new department, and the manager decided to retweak their personal brand of "Agile". Even that is probably too little too late; more and more projects are being moved from that dep't into others, to the point where I'm wondering what the devs there will actually have left to do.

So yeah. I'm very skeptical of anything calling itself "Agile", because it's such a nightmare when done wrong, and I'd bet dollars to donuts there are more places doing it wrong than right.

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On the face of it, that's true. In reality, it's not... Your work machine is not your personal computer. The best possible machine is anything that makes you more productive and reduces friction for whatever you happen to do at work. That may very well be a Mac, or may very well be something else. If you company gives you a Mac but everyone else uses Windows and Outlook, that will increase friction and make you less…

IF everybody else is using Windows, Outlook and Excel then the company is stuck in the 1990s and their other business practices (eg: emailing RTFs for specs instead of putting them in version control) are also going to be out of date. But as someone who has used a Mac in an office full of people using Windows and Outlook, it didn't increase friction. And I was even using OS X. Your perspective forgets that you can ru…

I'm positive that there are many companies out there using Windows, Outlook and Excel being very successful in producing the kind of software that runs our world while being very innovative at that.

There are also many companies populated by "prima donnas" with their Macs on their standing desks being very productive at nothing that actually matters.

I fail to follow your reasoning. I also fail to follow your reasoning that this kind of trivialities implies something about the prospective employer (as I said, there are other items in your list that are perfectly reasonable). It does not, but it may imply something about the prospective employee.

I don't know you, so I'm not making a judgment on you personally. I am, however, making a judgment based on your list. Just like any potential employer would do (even those that would otherwise happily comply with all of the items). If you have to argue against this, therein lies the problem.

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So what is this giant open space going to look like when people begin to work VR displays primarily? When most people work with opaque glasses silent and staring off... (co?)incidentally that could make such a room almost bearable as a work environment, personally...

When you enter the metaverse, you'll arrive in a virtual open office, and you'll see / hear / all your coworkers working in the same virtual room.

Yes but how will I smell them?? hmm app idea. There could be places like that... one could be in several spaces, like chatrooms/channels. Most lobbies on the internet are filled with noobs and cat memes though...

Re: “Today we moved into our new Facebook building”

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I saw this one from Chris Marra https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204715357418943

So they invented a conference room or office that can't accommodate those with mobility issues? "Someone clear a path for the wheelchair!"

Really? We're that politically correct now that we can't have a joke meeting-room-ballpit to celebrate the opening of a new building without offending someone?

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Last year I designed an office for a small business with 20 employees. Having worked in several offices (with different layouts) made me very "bearish" on open-offices so I advised the business owner against it. While explaining all my arguments to him, he told me: I completely agree with you but without an open layout how do I control my employees? And: With an open layout I can put more people in less space. This i…

I would love to see this reposted non-anonymously, to cite to people. Also, what does it mean to "design" an open office? There is no architecture.

Architecture is about organizing space. Then if needed we build some walls to achieve this goal. The architect still needs to define corridors, toilets, meeting areas, etc, etc. The only difference is that he doesn't need to project many walls.

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Okay, this is not really on-topic at all. But someone has finally given me the opening to rant about the state of public restroom design :-) I spend a lot of time working out of cafes, both for my job and when I'm working on some personal project. ~4-8 hours a day in a cafe plus a coffee every 90 minutes or so and plenty of water means I have a lot of experience with coffee shop public restrooms. And almost all of th…

Where are you based? San Francisco "strongly urges" single-occupancy restrooms to be unisex. I've worked out of a fair number of SF cafes and I think this is noticeably less of a problem there than in other cities. http://sf-hrc.org/compliance-guidelines-prohibit-gender-iden...

I'm based out of Santa Monica and Los Angeles. Sightglass is the only large cafe I've been to in San Francisco. I'm glad to hear this is the norm up there!

Here in Southern California, West Hollywood recently passed a similar ordinance that prohibits gendered single-user restrooms in public spaces and businesses.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-weho-gender-neut...

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Really? All of this is on your list? If I asked for 3 mandatory meetings a year you're NEVER going to work at my company? How do you go through life being so rigid on such relatively trivial issues?

> How do you go through life being so rigid on such relatively trivial issues? At a guess: after spending enough of that life to realize that those 'trivial' issues can make all the difference between feeling good in the longer term or feeling miserable.

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What I see happen at these places too is that while in a hushed voice, people tend to gossip _a lot_ throughout the day. And the gossip has to be interspersed with citation, because a plain old chewing the fat without any authority is a waste of time, of course. And walk their dogs by... But I guess it doesn't matter much when money is aplenty. The other subtle thing is that you are being stripped of any privacy --we…

This is sophistry. I could say an office is a cage, and a pen is better than a cage.

But a cage protecting me from the other, rather than containing me.

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The fact that there is even a debate means not everyone likes it, therefore, it shouldn't be forced on everyone.

So we should get rid of building codes, too?

Workplace setup is almost strictly a matter of preference.

Re: “Today we moved into our new Facebook building”

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Why didn't you go the co-CEO route instead? From my experience CEO has a tendency at some point to dominate other CxOs for whatever reasons (usually business guys view tech as inferior).

That's sort of what our relationship is-- from my view-- but I believe that at some point someone has to make a decision. Some of them are coin flips, or can be changed before too long if they turn out to be mistakes. I don't want to spend time on a lot of stuff that's not about building the product. The CEO is also the domain expert in this situation, and we have a great personality fit. Ideally I think engineers sh…

I really hope it would work for you and you found a reliable CEO. Just recently a friend of mine, CTO of a startup, was cheated out of equity by CEO & CFO of the company he founded (while being assured all the time they are BFFs and bros). That's one of the reasons I would never go for less than co-CEO and a legal requirement to have my approval required for any decision... I would also love to see more engineers as CEOs.
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