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Re: Atom

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Post by acqq »

eevilspock wrote: post #443
acqq wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly can he check it? As a user of another OS, I'm asking to learn how this feature actually works.

It's easy. Right there in the File menu near the Save command is Revert To , which leads to a submenu with Previous Save and Browse All Versions... options. The latter uses the slick Time Machine UI ( http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4753 ). Except, per my other comment, Microsoft doesn't bother writing Mac software that works like Mac software. It's kind of like running Java desktop software (actually worse)... neither…

As you say "Microsoft doesn't bother writing" and his girlfriend uses MS Word on OS X if I understood. Can she then use that feature to recover her work after she had done the "Save" from the MS Word or not?

Re: Atom

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Post by cstuder »

toddmorey wrote: post #391
fafner wrote: post #322

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And it reports data to Google... http://atom.io/packages/metrics

But in fairness, they've fully listed the data being collected. I'm actually very comfortable with them collecting these metrics (though I'm glad there's a way to turn it off just the same). - A unique identifier that is generated by computing the SHA-1 of the machine's MAC address. - The screen width and height - The version of Atom being used - The name of each item opened in a pane such as EditorView, SettingsView…

I'm almost comfortable with the choice of metrics, except for:

>> The name of each item opened in a pane such as EditorView, SettingsView, and MarkdownPreviewView Why would they need to know my filenames?

Re: Atom

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Post by gulbrandr »

teraflop wrote: post #14

No mention of supported platforms, but the documentation refers to keyboard shortcuts like "cmd-shift-P". This isn't Mac-only, is it?

On the homepage, it says

> Like other desktop apps, it has its own icon in the dock

it looks like it's osx oriented.

Re: Atom

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Post by gulbrandr »

woah wrote: post #51
Touche wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, just normal developer monoculturalism. Same as showing only Mac screenshots that is common, or showing your website inside a Macbook, etc.

I've always wanted to show mockups in alternate non mac devices, but they tend to be ugly.

Are they? Really? Apple made you think that they are ugly, while not.

Re: Atom

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Post by rjzzleep »

Gracana wrote: post #364
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

I think the first assertion is simply untrue, and without it the rest is nonsense. You don't need to learn how to use multiple editors to do anything. I suppose there are some languages/environments that are somewhat tied to certain editors (java and eclipse, C# and visual studio, objective-C and xcode), but that's not what is proposed here. It's a general purpose programmer's editor that anyone can use for anything.…

tbh with you i've used both omnisharp and eclim with vim.

you get full IDE features as well as refactoring inside of vim. for most things you can use vim as a full featured IDE these days.

well for refactoring you might have a few issues on, say, c++ and objective-c

[] http://eclim.org

[] https://github.com/nosami/Omnisharp

Re: Atom

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Post by davidw »

keypusher wrote: post #413
adamors wrote: post #204

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Emacs is GUI desktop software. Few people use it in a terminal. Also, people didn't born knowing Javascript. They learnt it. And one could argue that Lisp is just as easy to learn, if not easier.

I'm sure the emacs GUI runs great on your macbook, but for people who live on remove linux servers day in and day out, trust me they are using emacs in the terminal.

That or they're using tramp to ssh in to the remote machine and edit that way.

Re: Atom

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

squintychino wrote: post #362
davesque wrote: post #353

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Why should I have to opt out of metric gathering in a freaking text editor??

Because they made the program. So it's their decision. If you want a program that turns this off by default, please feel free to create your own program with this feature disabled.

It's their decision to track their own users by default. It's anyone's decision to criticize them for their decision. That's healthy and much more efficient than for everyone to start creating their own text editors, payment systems, airlines or poultry farms.

I for one am more than fed up with hunting down and keeping up-to-date with settings for tracking "features" in every single piece of software I use.

Re: Atom

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Post by davidw »

baddox wrote: post #283
crazygringo wrote: post #144

I was all ready to be skeptical and everything... but this could actually be amazing. I currently use Chocolat for code editing, which is beautifully elegant and I love it, but there are 25 little tiny things that I really wish I could fix. I file issues, but the developers rightly have their own priorities. It's closed-source, but even if it were open source, I'm not about to learn how to use XCode and Objective C a…

I'm with you. I'm an Emacs user, which ostensibly has a similar design philosophy (open source, with powerful extensibility from a full-blown programming language), but Emacs Lisp has a lot of baggage and is nowhere near as widely used as JavaScript. I also find the Emacs community disjointed and hard to navigate and participate in. Ultimately, assuming that the underlying design decisions of Atom are reasonable, its…

> Emacs Lisp has a lot of baggage and is nowhere near as widely used as JavaScript

Back in the 90ies, when I started using Emacs, Elisp had a lot of baggage and was nowhere near as widely used as Perl.

I'm still using Emacs.

Re: Atom

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Post by dinosaurs »

Looking forward to this. The fact that it's all JavaScript/Node based makes this particularly attracting for me. I haven't really been able to hack on ST2/3 because I'm not that proficient in Python and never found the time to properly dig into it. The repositories look great, really hope it'll live up to the expectations.

That being said, anyone with a spare invite? :) Ta.

Re: Atom

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Post by fafner »

squintychino wrote: post #362
davesque wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should I have to opt out of metric gathering in a freaking text editor??

Because they made the program. So it's their decision. If you want a program that turns this off by default, please feel free to create your own program with this feature disabled.

And it's my decision not to use it. Why would I want a non-free (as in beer and speech) editor which reports data to Google, only works on Mac, and lacks any unique features? I don't understand the hype created on HN about it...
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