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Re: Atom

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Post by eevilspock »

benlarcey wrote: post #384
gavinpc wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

As mentioned time machine is a great feature, but doesn't OS X auto save files you're working on with its versions? You might want to double check that it hasn't got past versions saved.

Except that Microsoft Mac software neither follows OS X conventions (e.g. putting Office system files in the user's doc dir) nor implements many of the important features (e.g. leveraging the automatic file versioning introduced three years ago in OS X Lion).

Re: Atom

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Post by [deleted] »

jvm wrote: post #401
gavinpc wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

Vim persistent undo solves this problem: http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/undo.html#undo-persist... ...I'm sure Word will catch up eventually.

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Re: Atom

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Post by eevilspock »

acqq wrote: post #431
benlarcey wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As mentioned time machine is a great feature, but doesn't OS X auto save files you're working on with its versions? You might want to double check that it hasn't got past versions saved.

How exactly can he check it? As a user of another OS, I'm asking to learn how this feature actually works.

It's easy. Right there in the File menu near the Save command is Revert To, which leads to a submenu with Previous Save and Browse All Versions... options. The latter uses the slick Time Machine UI (http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4753).

Except, per my other comment, Microsoft doesn't bother writing Mac software that works like Mac software. It's kind of like running Java desktop software (actually worse)... neither native feel nor integrated with the OS like other Mac apps.

Re: Atom

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Post by Ygg2 »

dkasper wrote: post #407
unfunco wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then this really isn't a usability issue, if you replace the entire contents of a document with the clipboard, then click or shortcut to save, then click or shortcut to quit the application, that's really a human issue. It's too many steps to be labelled as a usability problem. ⌘-Z should have been adequate.

Whether it's a human issue or a software issue it could still be solved by better software.

In other words, always blame the software.

I get it, but the convenience of things like ZFS and Time Machine have a cost. It takes time to implement such things and they take resources. And even then a failure is possible.

E.g. you decide to do some kind of Garbage Collect on a HD, because you lack disk space and you don't want to buy a disk, but you forgot to backup a file you deleted a month ago.

Re: Atom

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Post by victorhooi »

midas007 wrote: post #429

Turns out it's going to be payware, closed-source only while the rest of their community gets to build and support it. http://discuss.atom.io/t/why-is-atom-closed-source/82/9 But who's going to buy an editor that can't even open a 1 MiB file? http://discuss.atom.io/t/unable-to-open-files-more-than-1mb/... Moreover, besides code posers and managers, who is going to throw away all their knowledge and time configuring t…

I was the one who reported the 1 Mb file issue...

I mean, it looks nice - but I'm a bit undecided about the whole proprietary code project thing.

If it was open-source, we might actually be able to see if there was some silly hardcoded limit in there - heck, we could even submit a patch and do a pull request.

That, and the blatant ripping off of Sublime Text's interface.

It's bad enough they don't put the source itself on Github, but they aren't even using Github's issue tracker for the project - or heck, any other issue tracker as all.

So we're resorting to filing bug reports on a discussion forum...shakes head.

Hopefully Github will come through, and sort things out.

I have no objections to paying for an editor - heck, Sublime is $70 - but with this being closed source, and Brackets.io being more mature, and open-source, not sure what the attraction is.

Re: Atom

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Post by pritambaral »

victorhooi wrote: post #446
midas007 wrote: post #429

Turns out it's going to be payware, closed-source only while the rest of their community gets to build and support it. http://discuss.atom.io/t/why-is-atom-closed-source/82/9 But who's going to buy an editor that can't even open a 1 MiB file? http://discuss.atom.io/t/unable-to-open-files-more-than-1mb/... Moreover, besides code posers and managers, who is going to throw away all their knowledge and time configuring t…

I was the one who reported the 1 Mb file issue... I mean, it looks nice - but I'm a bit undecided about the whole proprietary code project thing. If it was open-source, we might actually be able to see if there was some silly hardcoded limit in there - heck, we could even submit a patch and do a pull request. That, and the blatant ripping off of Sublime Text's interface. It's bad enough they don't put the source itse…

Brackets is focussed on frontend webdev only. You might wanna try LightTable.

Re: Atom

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Post by eevilspock »

dkasper wrote: post #407
unfunco wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then this really isn't a usability issue, if you replace the entire contents of a document with the clipboard, then click or shortcut to save, then click or shortcut to quit the application, that's really a human issue. It's too many steps to be labelled as a usability problem. ⌘-Z should have been adequate.

Whether it's a human issue or a software issue it could still be solved by better software.

> In other words, always blame the software.

> I get it, but the convenience of things like ZFS and Time Machine have a cost. It takes time to implement such things and they take resources. And even then a failure is possible.

You need to weigh the development cost of a feature against the cost to the user of not having it times the number of users. It is usually cheaper to make the software do the tricky stuff than to make your users do it.

Re: Atom

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Post by marijn »

jamesmoss wrote: post #212

I've just had play around with the beta. It looks like it's using a version of CodeMirror 4 (as it has multiple ranges). Fairly fast but it doesn't match Sublime Text just yet Initial impressions: it's early days but this thing is just oozing for customisation. The fact it's written in JS means writing packages is pretty simple compared to Python for ST; we're going to see TONNES of addons for it. I can already think…

What makes you think it's using CodeMirror? My impression is that they implemented their own editor component from scratch.

Re: Atom

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Post by bowlofpetunias »

hnriot wrote: post #373
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

I love learning new things! If it's better then I am more than happy to learn it, otherwise we'd all still be using EDT... This "master programmer" need to stop abusing his novices, stop resting on his laurels and get back to some learning.

It's interesting that people keep using the word "better" when it comes to new editors/languages/frameworks/etc, yet as an industry we have very little evidence to proof it.

I've been doing this programming thing since the 80's, and the only thing I've seen that has really made software development better have been better practices.

Maybe we should first review our definition of "better" before we label something with it. Too often it's used as a synonym for "ooh, shiny!".

Having said that, Atom looks nice and shiny.

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