You will not believe the amounts of ram I will buy once the whole thing crashes. Like my raspberry pi clone will be running on a terabyte of ram.
Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months
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Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months
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That may be true but it did get slower. Maybe new fancy UI effects, etc. Apple also seems hellbent on fully utilizing all available space on the low end model. IOS+ System Data is about 30GB. The original iPhone had a 4GB model and had space left over for the user to use!
> That may be true but it did get slower. Yes. Microsoft is scrambling at the moment because the macbook neo only has 8gb of ram and runs great. Windows 11 can't compete on that hardware because it's so bloated. I find it strange given microsoft made windows 3.11, which ran fine on computers with just 4mb of ram. Windows 11 is of course more complex than windows 3.11. But not so much that it should need literally 200…
TIL that the Recommended section of the Start menu uses React Native. What a world. Why...??
Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months
#453Inflation, cost of living, purchasing power... I feel like life is getting really difficult right now for most people in ways it hasn't been in decades. I don't think memory prices going up this much this fast is good. I think it's a sign of how bad things are and that we are heading in a terrible direction. I think we're going to get a BIG wave of inflation in 2027.
Life on earth today has objectively never been better in the history of our entire species. Try to retain some perspective.
On a macro level you're correct. On a micro level, I miss the pre-pandemic, pre-AI era before stuff got expensive, before Russia invaded Ukraine, before the Israel/Palestine strife went into overdrive, and before the US declared war on Iran, Canada, Greenland, and Minnesota.
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#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand the distinction you are making. If you have a massive excess of demand ready to pay any price, and a limited supply, of course the sellers will take advantage, that's how any market works. They can do that because of the lack of supply. Over the long term demand will rationalise and supply will adjust. But in between there is a squeeze, and the right price is the maximum price buyers are willing to…
What is cartelization for 500%, Alex.
I'm not sure how turning into crabs is going to help us download more RAM.
Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months
#455Inflation, cost of living, purchasing power... I feel like life is getting really difficult right now for most people in ways it hasn't been in decades. I don't think memory prices going up this much this fast is good. I think it's a sign of how bad things are and that we are heading in a terrible direction. I think we're going to get a BIG wave of inflation in 2027.
Life on earth today has objectively never been better in the history of our entire species. Try to retain some perspective.
By what metric? Houses, healthcare, cars, college... everything that matters is way more expensive for current generations when you compare to multiples of income or ounces of gold. We're working harder for less to show. Yes, there are FSD vehicles and rockets that can land and be re-used... but steak is up 30% from a year ago. In most ways, life is going in the wrong direction. The only thing getting 'better' for most Americans is that you can get a bigger TV now than ever.
Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months
#456I would be very surprised if the cost of the inputs being hoovered up by AI drops after this. Without ever forming a real cabal, I think the functional behaviour of the disparate people in this supply chain are going to hold on to the profit margin because there isn't a clear basis to stop them.
Sure, some imaginary perfect market would drop. This one is far from perfect, and it may drop by marginal percentages. It won't drop back to what it was before it went up 4x in price.
I would be very surprised if a market for older, superceded chips takes off, not because it isn't a brilliant idea, but because in order to use them, you have to make boards and systems which can consume them, and right now, the people who do that for a living are making a good living selling stuff as inputs to the people making a good living selling memory at inflated prices to the AI factories.
It's turtles all the way down.
Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months
#457Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nobody really "needs" RAM immediately though, like a heart or a lung or something.
That’s a bold statement to make in the 21st century when nearly everything is run on computers, including cars, planes, hospital networks, etc etc.
Not really. They can get RAM just fine, and delay upgrade/refresh cycles to stretch existing component lifecycle, which was already very long if they needed to.
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#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would they? Cartels aren't known for massively increasing production to satisfy all demand. Far from it I'd say, they're more likely to expand supply to such a level that they can still reap massive profits. Very few countries/companies have the knowhow and willingness to be able to build more. OPEC is a perfect example of this behaviour. They set hearly production goals to keep prices high. Or the Quebec Maple Syrup…
> Quebec Maple Syrup Producers organization Can you just not join the organization? Maple trees are living things and have a right to reproduce, you can't fault a bird for shitting maple seeds all over my farm planting maple trees everywhere.
It looks like you're forced to participate by law once you sell over a certain volume.
> Backed by the Canadian civil courts, the federation has the monopoly for selling Quebecois maple syrup on the wholesale market, and for exporting it outside the province. Producers are only allowed to sell independently cans of less than five litres or 5kg to visitors to their farm. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35028380
Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months
#459So the 1970s oil crisis caused a shift that included fuel efficiency rules. For like, the whole time I've been a software engineer, memory footprints of a lot of software have crept up, even when they aren't really doing more. The memory situation currently is a mess. But ... is it bad enough to get us to _change_ how we build?
What consumer software do you run that causes you to run out of memory or feel constrained? Even my phone has 16gb of ram. I need to run slack 16times to run out? Lol
Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months
#460Ram, hdd, ssd, even blu-ray writers are expensive. I purchased mdisc blu-ray writer for $70 in 2021, I see people are trying to sell the same device for $500+ wtf
Is it a Pioneer model? They stopped making their blu-ray drives which are at least perceived to be better quality than the competition, so NOS prices have gone way up.