Live data from Hacker News

Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

android-developers.googleblog.com

451–460 of 549 posts

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#451
post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that… life? Even literal regulated electricity utilities aren’t expected to provide service to every last marginal customer. For example, a poor old grandma missing many electricity bill payments usually will see leniency if she is polite, the utility eventually won’t try to collect cash anymore and instead put a lien on the home while continuing to provide service. But if the billing department receives multip…

Not entirely sure what you are trying to say, other than you don't really care as long as you are not the one who is marginalised. Anyway it's generally a tradeoff: is it worth doing it? By adding very strict age verification systems and marginalising people, do we make society globally better or not? Will those age verification systems work to prevent underage people from accessing the stuff we don't want them to ac…

[flagged]

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#453

I'm fundamentally opposed to age verification because it usually leads to mandatory account creation no matter how privacy friendly the age verification process itself may be. It's already extremely annoying that, for example, on YouTube, you can no longer watch many videos without an account. Furthermore, the whole thing also reinforces monopolies. Once you've verified your age on one platform, the barrier to switch…

> The only acceptable solution would be for apps and websites to simply include a recommended age. Allowing parents to configure their children’s devices to block services that require users to be older than the specified age or that do not provide an age rating. That just entertains the false justification for what is ultimately about surveillance and control. There are privacy preserving alternatives to accounts an…

To me the biggest piece of evidence that these methods don't actually work for age verification and are completely for surveillance and data collection is that you can't use them to buy wine at the self checkout at the grocery store. Like if it's effective, why can't the self checkout camera tell that I'm over 21 and can buy wine? Because it's not and everyone knows it.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data ownership is just one area of concern. Controlling our access to the internet is another. If age verification was an open standard, we could hope for competition so that we could jump ship from a bad actor. If one blocks our access, we would have alternatives. In theory. Not so with a centralized government-mandated service.

Who is in charge of certifying implementers? What happens when I provide an implementation and don't verify anything at all?

I'm not saying age verification is a good idea, just that a centralized government-mandated implementation is a bad way to do an already bad idea.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can disable Internet access for millions instantly. You can't arrest millions.

Again, this can be done already? Look at any authoritarian country killing internet access the moment anything happens.

This could be more targeted, like a no-fly list for the internet. Political dissidents, journalists, etc. could be effectively exiled from online activity.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#456

I'm surprised that there are so many still think that this is really about protecting kids. This is not an organic movement at all.

What’s it really about then? Every circle i’m a part of is concerned about this.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#457
post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viewing the continuance of our race as only the responsibility of parents is pathological. Moreover, children are all of our [mid-term] futures too. If education fails, there are no doctors for anyone not ultra-wealthy. You have to look from the other direction too - children have natural rights and deserve to be extending dignity as humans too.

>Viewing the continuance of our race as only the responsibility of parents is pathological. That seems to be a uniquely American pathology. Everywhere where else in the world, and in non-white American subcultures, the community taking a hand in raising children is expected. But many Americans seem to consider it socialist and an attack on Christian values. See Hillary Clinton getting mocked for saying "it takes a vi…

It's extra weird because the concept of a nuclear family was invented by advertising agencies in the 1950s to sell suburban houses and cars.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#458
post #181
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't. When they start making shit hardware, stop buying their hardware. As long as it's good, buy it. That's a free market price signal.

I don't think there's enough GrapheneOS users to make a 'free market price signal' here

I'm going to stop visiting the restaurant that makes the best food to spite them because I don't like their delivery policies, even though I'm going to eat inside.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#459

In my opinion, Google makes the UI too complicated and geeky which means parents are less likely to use it. Furthermore, they apply partial solution instead of complete architecture. In the article, the app must actively ask for age which means apps not asking the age, like Telegram still would allow access to inappropriate content. There should be a single checkbox, "parent mode", which applies government-approved c…

Haven't video games solved this a long time ago with age ratings on the games themselves? Sony and Microsoft's parental controls are convoluted garbage with logins galore. But Nintendo's, at least on the Switch 1, was dead simple. You enable parental controls, set an age rating, and password. Done. There's an app to set time limits, whitelist/blacklist games, etc. That was the easiest UX I've seen.

Games (apps) dont need to know the age of the user to access them. Even the parental control didn't know the child's real age. It just knew if the child had access to E, E10+, T, M, etc.

Why are we trying to reinvent this? Oh yeah more data collection.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#460
post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is quite simple. You just don't verify it. The point isn’t to verify the age but to set the age on the device itself. If the parents set the age on the cell phone or computer, that setting is then used as the basis. The operating systems can be configured so that only the device administrator can change the age. Systemd already has a field for storing the age, which programs can read. If the child doesn’t…

Are you a parent? I have personally used the parental controls on Android, iOS and ChromeOS and to be honest they are terrible. Issues with syncing changes, the terrible UX for parental access control (iOS...), issues around audit/access logs, issues around prompting the parent for access. I am honestly shocked that Apple known for its polished experience hasn't been forced by angry parents. My daughter's school actu…

Sounds like a technical issue that is not better solved by remote devices doing age verification, but instead by fixing the already existing implementation.
Post reply on HN