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Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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Post by fulafel »

gruez wrote: post #140
gaiagraphia wrote: post #115

This is great for competition! Chinese vendors offering a cheaper solution = what economics told me the free market was all about. I also learnt that Anthropic should get better at what they do if they want to compete. If not, somebody else will win. Or does this not apply to huge US corporations any more?

>This is great for competition! Chinese vendors offering a cheaper solution = what economics told me the free market was all about. Yeah, like all those Chinese bootleggers selling DVDs for a few dollars rather than $20. Free market! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48664814

Free market would of course allow bootleg DVD sales, state regulation that gives monopoly rights restrict it.

In the context of LLMs, monopoly rights haven't been created (yet anyway).

Fun fact: for a period the US (or american colonies) didn't have copyright but Europe did, so people could copy and sell English (and other) books for free.

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Post by nutjob2 »

user_7832 wrote: post #357
petterroea wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China aren't offering a cheaper solution. They are subsidizing an existing one (which is already subsidized) in order to gain foothold. The difference is that in the US subsidies come from VC, while OP implies subsidies come from the AI labs that buy the training data (which may as well also be VC backed, so just one extra hop). This isn't "the market working as intended", this is an exhaustion fight to the bottom wh…

> China aren't offering a cheaper solution. They are subsidizing an existing one (which is already subsidized) in order to gain foothold. In my economics classes, we were told that (in a "free market" argument) the best thing to do if a subsidy is making something you want cheaper is to use it. You're getting your thing, and at a reduced cost. (I'm not really replying to you per se, I'm curious how "free market" folk…

This is why I don't understand why people complain about impractically cheap Chinese solar panels. The rest of the world should buy enormous quantities and bankrupt the mofos and hugely benefit along the way. Then later they can set up their own solar panel industries.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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Post by verisimi »

da_grift_shift wrote: post #448
p4coder wrote: post #416

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Agreed! I had to do a double take and check the URL. I thought I am reading a press release rather than actual reporting.

Same thing nowadays :^)

It always was.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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Post by anileated »

overfeed wrote: post #321
anileated wrote: post #304

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The issues with LLMs go beyond just IP theft. I would not say PRC making LLMs cheaper is the best outcome (though it is better than nothing). The best outcome would be to make the practice of training on our data without consent illegal, which would simultaneously slow down economic change and make it more organic as well as give PRC companies less capabilities to extract.

> The issues with LLMs go beyond just IP theft. There is no IP theft because LLM outputs aren't protected, just egregious ToS violations.

> There is no IP theft because LLM outputs aren't protected, just egregious ToS violations

I meant original IP theft that occurs to train LLMs in the first place. But sure that implies that further LLMs based on that LLM are also tainted by that original IP theft.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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eloisius wrote: post #368
temporaryacc2 wrote: post #314

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Thank you for your very informative comment! (It's a shame almost all replies are just the same contrived pessisism found on every Anthropic thread on HN).

Indeed! It’s so hard to find reasonable takes on AI that aren’t littered with accounts created 11 days ago that only post in threads related to Anthropic for some reason

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eloisius wrote: post #368
temporaryacc2 wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for your very informative comment! (It's a shame almost all replies are just the same contrived pessisism found on every Anthropic thread on HN).

Indeed! It’s so hard to find reasonable takes on AI that aren’t littered with accounts created 11 days ago that only post in threads related to Anthropic for some reason

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