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Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Students need motivation to honestly and openly talk about their doubts or lack of understanding.

I've had LLMs both help motivate myself into getting better at things and help me understand things I don't. Being open with an AI is much easier than a human since there is no risk of being judged.

Adult students who have had real world experience tend to take learning more seriously because they can see a context for it.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Completely understandable. My 6yo kiddo recently realized that smart speaker (Google home) can not only play her favorite songs, but answer her homework questions. And it was something not that trivial, like “which animal from the list changes color of its fur when seasons change: tiger, arctic fox, something else”. And now I need to either disable everything or figure out how to turn that off for her.

> And now I need to either disable everything or figure out how to turn that off for her. Why? I tell me 6yo "That's for adults only, children are not allowed to use it" and not have to worry. Sure, he'll push boundaries here and there, but with some things he knows "No means no" and doesn't push those boundaries. I have literally tested this: left a cookie on the table (that he wants) and told him "You can eat that…

You tested it, i doubt you authored it. A paternal twin can have one with good impulse control and another who's more instinctual. Even in the same family and upbringing.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Totally agree! For anyone who still thinks kids should use AI, another argument to make is we are still figuring out AI (hence the constant debate on it, hype, uncertainty, boundaries of its capabilities etc etc). I don't think anyone with right mind can disagree with that. Keeping that mind, wouldn't it make sense to at-the-very-least tread with caution when it comes to kids.

The counterargument is that kids will live in a world different from our own. For example, in many countries children lost the ability to write cursive; that used to be a critical skill comparable to literacy itself. But in our current society, that's no longer the case and you can be very successful without it, but there are other skills, such as using technology, that became critical. Any definitive claim to know w…

Kids won't grow up into a world where it's not beneficial to know how to read or write or think.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Glad you’re asking. https://cepr.org/publications/dp21577

“AI adoption raises homework scores by 18% and reduces completion time by 30%, but lowers monthly exam scores by 20% within six months. High-stakes entrance-exam scores fall by 18 and 24%, with the full penalty emerging only after about two years.” Yup. Short-term metrics juice. Actual comprehension and cognition falls. This seems to be the case across the board, including with adults. I’m genuinely optimistic that t…

With AI — +18%, without AI — -20%. Conclusion?

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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> should kids in the 2000s not have learned about the internet Yes. Emphatically yes. In elementary school? The kids who were online in elementary school—literally in school—who got like how-to-use-AOL lessons? They almost certainly underperform those who learned about the Internet at home or later in life. This is like those stupid keyboarding classes in the 2000s. It was obviously a waste of time compared with deve…

I agree and I think some of the comments here have shifted my perspective on this, especially given the age. I think with teaching anything, there’s always going to be a difference between teaching the tactics (e.g. how to use AOL) vs the fundamentals (what’s the internet, how do computers work)

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Totally agree! For anyone who still thinks kids should use AI, another argument to make is we are still figuring out AI (hence the constant debate on it, hype, uncertainty, boundaries of its capabilities etc etc). I don't think anyone with right mind can disagree with that. Keeping that mind, wouldn't it make sense to at-the-very-least tread with caution when it comes to kids.

The counterargument is that kids will live in a world different from our own. For example, in many countries children lost the ability to write cursive; that used to be a critical skill comparable to literacy itself. But in our current society, that's no longer the case and you can be very successful without it, but there are other skills, such as using technology, that became critical. Any definitive claim to know w…

From a UK perspective it's very weird that kids in America don't learn to write joined-up.

How can you write sufficiently fast in an English or History exam (where you have to write a whole essay in limited time) if you're writing one letter at a time like a 6 year old?

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Not quite. The LLM gives you a statistically probable sounding token stream. The calculator gives you a qualified answer within documented and deterministic limits of the device. No one knows how to use either.

That is GPT-3. Modern models are rewarded based off the accuracy of their responses.

Wait, have we solved hallucination already?

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Totally agree! For anyone who still thinks kids should use AI, another argument to make is we are still figuring out AI (hence the constant debate on it, hype, uncertainty, boundaries of its capabilities etc etc). I don't think anyone with right mind can disagree with that. Keeping that mind, wouldn't it make sense to at-the-very-least tread with caution when it comes to kids.

The counterargument is that kids will live in a world different from our own. For example, in many countries children lost the ability to write cursive; that used to be a critical skill comparable to literacy itself. But in our current society, that's no longer the case and you can be very successful without it, but there are other skills, such as using technology, that became critical. Any definitive claim to know w…

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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> Pupils from first through seventh grade, aged 6 to 13, should as a general rule not be using AI, while those in lower secondary school, aged 14 to 16, can cautiously adopt tools under teachers' supervision, the government said. Sounds right to me. Kids under 13 need to learn to read, write and comprehend text. Generative AI is not going to help them with those skills. They can play with AI at home, and after 13 the…

> Generative AI is not going to help them with those skills. I think it's more complex than this. AI is both the best technology ever invented for avoiding learning, and the best technology ever invented for learning. The cat is out of the bag. If teachers are asking for take-home essay assignments in 2026 then students are going to use AI and learn nothing. "AI detectors" are nowhere near reliable enough to be fair;…

The obvious way to square this circle is to go back to how things used to be: less emphasis on coursework and more on old-fashioned tests in an examination environment with just pen and paper.

You can cheat on your homework all you like, but you'll completely fail the exams. On the other hand, students who use LLMs to augment their learning will do fine

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