Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 • Hacker News Board

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by marcus_holmes » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:34 AM UTC

stingraycharles wrote: post #61

So isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent? And potentially more importantly: if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus, is getting this treatment, how are all the AI investments that are based on the expectation of ASI / AGI / signifi…

For the sake of argument, assume everyone is working on good faith and at least believes and means the things they're saying.

The US government believes that Fable/Mythos is a weapon that needs to be export-controlled, and limited to only US customers. Presumably OpenAI/xAI/Google would face the same constraints, for the same reasons.

OS/foreign models are unaffected - OS because they cannot control who runs them, and foreign because they are not controlled by the US government. We could assume that China will implement the same policy controls, but they see the world differently so might not.

So US AI companies are then limited to the US market, effectively, after about six months (the lag between the current frontier models and the OS models). They have much less incentive to push the envelope to create better models, because the US govt might also ban those completely.

The investor froth around the race to AGI dies, so valuations shrink (the current IPOs may be affected), and presumably the bubble bursts. None of the AI companies can afford to continue building data centres, so that all dies immediately. US GDP drops by ~5% because of that alone.

In a year's time, the US is in a major recession because it gambled so hard on AI. Europe less so, only because it was such a distant follower in that race. China is more-or-less unaffected. The best models are now OS/foreign, and AI is moving forward more slowly, but still moving forward.

Any other scenarios?

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by tinyhouse » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:34 AM UTC

At least on Claude Code it's completely useless. It tells me to run all the commands myself cause it's blocked ("Classifier's blocking me again" lol). Just tried now and saw the msg: "There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5[1m]). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model."

I really have no clue how Anthropic released this thing without doing any real testing. I did use it on claude.ai with no issues; talking just for code.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by bottlepalm » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:35 AM UTC

evilturnip wrote: post #446

This whole thing is comedy. Anthropic pretending Mythos 5 is so capable it's going to destroy everything, but will release it anyway with "safeguards" (when does this ever work?). US Gov't using this fake hype as an excuse to handicap Anthropic simply because they have a vendetta.

I find it funny that AI keeps getting bigger, and the mental gymnastics needed to trivalize the progress get bigger as well - ie the government shutdown an AI model twisted into now even the government is being tricked.

Everyone is tricked except me. Only I know AI isn't as smart as everyone thinks it is.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by bottlepalm » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:36 AM UTC

bschlenk1 wrote: post #408

> If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers. Good. 4.8 is good enough.

After using Fable it's not..

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by cryptoegorophy » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:36 AM UTC

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

Bigger picture is AI seems to advance at exponential rate

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by ViscountPenguin » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:36 AM UTC

data-ottawa wrote: post #314

As a non-US citizen I guess this is the last money I pay to US companies for AI then. I can't help but wonder if it's now obvious that frontier AI work should not happen in the US. I can understand the KYC aspect of this, but at the same time, how can anyone trust US based AI after this? Maybe this is a continuation of the Pentagon feud, or it's revenge, or it's a KYC play. Either way, you've got a government willing…

In my experience, US citizens are completely blind to how much stuff like this makes citizens of other countries hate their government (which often, unfortunately, bleeds over to hate for US citizens; not that I condone hating any group of people based on the actions of their state)

The US has spent the last 12ish years betting that they're the only country that matters, but the end of result of that is that somehow when I talk to Australians in my age group the average person has a more positive opinion towards China even than the US.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by andix » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:36 AM UTC

Probably Iran used Fable to negotiate an awesome deal for them. And made the president angry. xD

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by karmasimida » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:36 AM UTC

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

China had already forbade their top researchers to even leave China.

Also foreign investments into Chinese AI labs have already been forbidden and asked to exit

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by qotgalaxy » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:37 AM UTC

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by koolala » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 3:38 AM UTC

evilturnip wrote: post #446

This whole thing is comedy. Anthropic pretending Mythos 5 is so capable it's going to destroy everything, but will release it anyway with "safeguards" (when does this ever work?). US Gov't using this fake hype as an excuse to handicap Anthropic simply because they have a vendetta.

Nothing is funny about LLMs being restricted like air travel.