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Post by ethbr1 »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #433
ethbr1 wrote: post #429

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Given that direct assassination is still prohibited by EO 11905 / 12036 / 12333, it's a major issue if the US president ordered the strike or not. I'm aware that internet forums like to play fast and loose with insinuations, but facts are facts.

> Given that direct assassination is still prohibited by EO 11905 / 12036 / 12333 It sounds like you think this means something? Obviously it doesn't when we're talking about an administration that openly breaks laws, much less EOs, and issues whatever EOs they want saying whatever they want, even in violation of previous EOs. There aren't even any repercussions to the president "violating an EO". So, the pedantry he…

> It sounds like you think this means something?

If you'd rather talk with yourself, I'll see myself out of this convo. No time for folks who would rather indulge in hyperbole than messy reality.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Post by salawat »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #334

OAI employees, please talk. ~93 Employees signed up the notdivided.org petition. Some of OAI employees could be reading this comment right now. Let's be real, OpenAI backstabbed Anthropic. Even Dario has essentially just said it now. (Shameless plug?) but I created an ASK HN about it: Ask HN: What will OpenAI employees do now who have signed notdividedorg petition [0] and not a single person from OAI responded when I…

>Why we didn't held the people working accountable, in a similar fashion as to the past.

You mean other than Nuremberg which was focused on prosecuting war criminals? Remember, IBM was never held to account for propping up the Nazi war and genocide machine. People who made Zyklon B weren't either. Corporate governance is the instrumental convergence of our time.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Post by freejazz »

xvector wrote: post #446
freejazz wrote: post #426

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I'm not talking about employees, I'm talking about the CEO. The fact that employees believe it means the marketing works. Everything about your posts makes my point. Anthropic is a business and that you believe they have a serious commitment to the PBC or any of that other stuff, then you have drank the kool-aid, full stop.

Really not sure how you can reconcile that with them making decisions that got them designated a SCR.

Then you're not thinking very hard when this thread is full of people saying "I'm deleting my OpenAI account RIGHT NOW" Which isn't a surprise because you are also buying this hook, line and sinker.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ethbr1 wrote: post #451
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given that direct assassination is still prohibited by EO 11905 / 12036 / 12333 It sounds like you think this means something? Obviously it doesn't when we're talking about an administration that openly breaks laws, much less EOs, and issues whatever EOs they want saying whatever they want, even in violation of previous EOs. There aren't even any repercussions to the president "violating an EO". So, the pedantry he…

> It sounds like you think this means something? If you'd rather talk with yourself, I'll see myself out of this convo. No time for folks who would rather indulge in hyperbole than messy reality.

Given that you totally ignored the substance of my post, and instead focused on attacking me personally, it does seem like you're not interested in a discussion, and not a good fit for the HN culture and guidelines. So yeah, maybe you are right and it would be better if you left.

But! That's not who you always have to be! I'm confident you can coherently articulate your point without resorting to that. Feel free to come back if you're willing to share why you feel the president not complying with a presidential executive order is significant here, rather than insignificant.

Anyways, happy friday!

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Post by scottyah »

thegreatpeter wrote: post #357
dolphinscorpion wrote: post #187

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Grok is chosen because Musk spent $250+ million to elect Trump and is expected to underwrite the 2026 elections. Also, a lot of Trumps and their friends are invested in SpaceX. So they give them money too, but use OpenAI or Claude. I have a feeling that the military likes Claude more

Didn’t they choose Anthropic first and then all of this happened so they were forced to go with Grok? Not adding up

Also I imagine this is partly due to intra-military power struggles. I'm sure there are a lot in the DoW who like Anthropic- models wise and all that they stand for. The supply chain thing was a way to take the power from them, though petty.

Pete is also facing a lot of risk from AI, power structures will be forced to change once a few teams can take over entire departments of people. The military ecosystem is very much like the private sector in where the number of butts in seats is a metric for people. The dynamics will be changed if your group can just hand-roll what they relied on others for.

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Post by [deleted] »

filoeleven wrote: post #412
mrandish wrote: post #57

When @sama announced within hours that OAI was replacing Anthropic with the "same conditions ", it was clear that either the DoW or OAI (or both) were fudging. DoW balked at Anthropic's conditions so OAI's agreement must have made the "conditions" basically unenforceable. And sure enough, my reading of it left the impression the OAI conditions were basically "DoW won't do anything which violates the rules DoW sets fo…

It's not the department of war. Don't call it that. > However, only an act of Congress can legally and formally change the department's name and secretary's title, so "Department of Defense" and "secretary of defense" remain legally official. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_De...

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Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Post by scottyah »

mrandish wrote: post #136
Loquebantur wrote: post #58

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“We’ve actually held our red lines with integrity rather than colluding with them to produce ‘safety theater’ for the benefit of employees (which, I absolutely swear to you, is what literally everyone at [the Pentagon], Palantir, our political consultants, etc, assumed was the problem we were trying to solve),” Amodei reportedly wrote. “The real reasons [the Pentagon] and the Trump admin do not like us is that we hav…

> we haven’t donated to Trump Another reason is that Sam Altman has been willing to "play ball" like providing high-profile (though meaningless) big announcements Trump likes to tout as successes. For example: > "The Stargate AI data center project worth $500 billion, announced by US President Donald Trump in January 2025, is reportedly running into serious trouble. More than a year after the announcement, the joint…

Reminds me of when they cut the camera to Zuck and he made the $600 Billion Deal announcement, but was hot mic'd after and said "I'm sorry I wasn't ready... I wasn't sure what number you wanted to go with". I will be extremely surprised if half of these deals actually go through

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Post by freakynit »

freakynit wrote: post #444
hedora wrote: post #212

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Usually just "bubble", since it's so common. This one is unusual in that the government started bailing out the AI companies last year. Usually, it waits until the bubble pops, and then starts the bail outs. That's standard operating procedure for Trump though. He did the same thing in 2016-19 with the zero interest rate policy + tax cuts even though the economy was strong. Any macroeconomics book (or NPR station dur…

Submitted "boomcession" to urban dictionary (in review)... sorry, couldn't credit you as there was no place to do so.

It's live: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boomcession

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Post by hedora »

freakynit wrote: post #458
freakynit wrote: post #444

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Submitted "boomcession" to urban dictionary (in review)... sorry, couldn't credit you as there was no place to do so.

It's live: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boomcession

Not my term: https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-boomcession-why-every...

It's nice to indirectly contribute to the Urban Dictionary though.

(Not sure if the link is the original source of the term; but it's before me in the chain.)

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Post by freakynit »

hedora wrote: post #459
freakynit wrote: post #458

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It's live: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boomcession

Not my term: https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-boomcession-why-every... It's nice to indirectly contribute to the Urban Dictionary though. (Not sure if the link is the original source of the term; but it's before me in the chain.)

Hmm... but as you said, good that it got added in urban dict. :)
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