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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by ErneX »

embedding-shape wrote: post #399
ErneX wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Valve had to delay a bunch of new products already. They also had to effectively discontinue the non-OLED Steam Deck due to the increased prices. https://www.theverge.com/games/874196/valve-steam-machine-fr...

Yeah, which shows that Valve don't think "these devices or services can no longer procure RAM, SSD or HDD" is actually what'll happen in reality, because then they'd have to cancel the hardware fully. Instead, they're delaying it.

With a likely price increase.

Regarding OP, I don’t think they implied this will last forever, but is definitely concerning.

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #305
tsak wrote: post #264

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But aren't those the same startups that think they need to run on AWS EKS instead of using a single cheap server? The cheapest used Hetzner server currently is €39.24 / month: - Intel Core i7-6700 - 32 GB - 2 x 480 GB Datacenter SSD - 1 GB/s - 20 TB traffic Their VPS are even cheaper. And you can run a lot on this.

Except 40€ a month is extremely poor value for this CPU that's more than a decade old.

Except you're getting a couple of disks, many GB of RAM, and some on-site 24/7 support, limitless network traffic, and your electricity bill.

Not too bad considering.

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Post by s_dev »

keepamovin wrote: post #238
embedding-shape wrote: post #228

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> What's behind the European push? Obviously the US pushing absolutely everyone away and making EU and Europe the new enemy, so now we here want to reciprocate that and feel the need to move away from US infrastructure ASAP. Personally I've been on a personal quest to minimize my usage of US-based services for many years already, but right now it's even part of the mainstream conversations, so seems to be ramping up,…

Is this voting with dollars (euros) due to views, or is there a regulatory reason to avoid US providers in Europe?

Cloud Act directly conflicts with GDPR. To really rub salt in the wound Trump overtly threatening to invade the EU (Greenland) basically turned the whole of Europe off seeing the US as a reliable ally. I don't think Americans have caught up to how much damage he has done to the image of the US amongst allies. They seem blissfully unaware of what's happening. Of course there are plenty of astute Americans who are aware but not the public at large.

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Post by seertaak »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #362
Betelbuddy wrote: post #345

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Saying this is just the market...is like saying housing is a free market after hedge funds buy your entire neighborhood...

But... They're not wrong. That IS the market. Unrestricted, gloriously free market with its historically predictable outcomes - yay! That's not where the interesting discussion is. The interesting discussion is with the notion that free unregulated markets are universally good and will naturally lead to positive outcomes because... I don't know, I'm personally not religious, but somebody here will help me :-).

Sorry, when you say "gloriously free market", do you mean whatever it takes EU, helicopter money (or, rewinding a decade, Greenspan put) US, or factory of the world China? :)

My point is that it's not a real market economy if the risk premium -- and in China's case, the exchange rate -- is rigged. And it has been, since the 90s.

EDIT: For clarity, I'm agreeing with you, since you were being facetious.

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Post by estimator7292 »

daxaxelrod wrote: post #366
everdrive wrote: post #360

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"The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax." We might also have our aquifers depleted and our electricity prices skyrocket. But at least we see really great benefits, such as being able to script some side-project while unemployed due to AI.

Anyone who thinks modern data centers don’t use recirculated water can safely have their opinions summarily discarded.

Please google "datacenter evaporative cooling" and then re-evaluate

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Post by ilaksh »

conradfr wrote: post #433
ilaksh wrote: post #408

For some reason I didn't get an email from them about this, even though one of my VPSs is in Helsinki. Anyway, let's all please pretend that Hetzner is now way overpriced if anyone asks about it. :P

I almost didn't see their email because it's sent by "notification" (notification@hetzner.com, no name set). Title is "Update on our pricing". Anyway my increase is: EX44 (HEL1) € 44.76 -> € 50.76 Not pleased especially as the reason for the increase for existing customers is a nebulous "The costs to operate our infrastructure has increased dramatically." Why?

Maybe I have email notifications off.

I think it's RAM and server prices globally shooting up. Extreme RAM shortage and increasing hoarding of all types of hardware supplies.

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Post by input_sh »

ac29 wrote: post #348
input_sh wrote: post #260

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They don't "have them", they're building them . https://www.micron.com/us-expansion/id > Micron has already achieved key construction milestones on its first Idaho fab with DRAM output scheduled to begin in 2027. https://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-deta... > Production is expected to start in 2030 with the fabs ramping throughout the decade. Until they start outputting DRAM in any meaningful quant…

> They don't "have them", they're building them. According to wikipedia Micron Fab 6 in Virginia started production in 1997 and is still operating

> "in any meaningful capacity"

Building a factory is one thing, they can have 50 of them built, but that doesn't mean much if all 50 together amount to like 0.1% of the company's output.

Once those factories scale up to 1-2%, then we can start considering that they've actually built a domestic supply, but that's a whole different goal than simply building the factories. Building factories is trivial. Making them output something is also "trivial". Scaling that up to a meaningful amount is a whole different, much harder goal to accomplish.

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Post by data-ottawa »

Nextgrid wrote: post #446
data-ottawa wrote: post #159

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Note: your ISP might cut your account, and this might violate your home insurance contract — depending on jurisdiction. At least where I live there’s a stupid amount of red tape for these things.

Your ISP will cut your account when you saturate the upstream pipe 24/7 for weeks on end... which will only happen if you host video. And your home insurance will not know/care if you're operating a desktop-sized computer or even a single server (it is perfectly fine and expected a developer might bring an actual server home for troubleshooting). Home insurance only cares if you're running dozens of them.

It depends. If you're running a business from home is where my local insurance draws the line and you need additional professional insurance.

You should be able to do this hassle free, and you probably can get away with it, but you may find yourself in a grey area later.

It's just one of many types of red tape that stiffles innovation.

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Post by nradov »

Betelbuddy wrote: post #370
nradov wrote: post #354

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Which neighborhoods are now entirely owned by hedge funds?

I should point out the relevance of my argument, is completely independent from the fact the reply to this questions of yours, is higher than zero. So dont see this reply as a justification. Just as a note that you failed to do basic diligence on distortions that are well known. And as I said, that are not relevant to the analogy. "When Wall Street Is Your Landlord" - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/20…

That article doesn't support your point. Only a small fraction of the homes in that area are actually owned by hedge funds. You should check the facts before commenting.

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Post by okanat »

bootsmann wrote: post #216
okanat wrote: post #172

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This doesn't solve the issue that globalism caused. Europe doesn't make DRAM nor has the know-how to quickly bring factories online which usually take 10+ years. We are tied to American economy and if AI companies start driving prices up not only DRAM but basically everything will become more expensive.

America doesn't manufacture DRAM either, this is all South Korea and Taiwan.

American companies are driving global economy insane. Currently the American political administration sides with the AI companies since it gives the inspiration that the economy is doing well. If things start to go side ways, the US government can put pressure on its local companies like Micron to supply other fields.

Europe doesn't have local manufacturers. So it cannot exert control over the manufacturers to keep its internal / strategic market sane. All European hardware manufacturers have to put up with and compete in irrationality inflated prices.

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