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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by bluGill »

theflyinghorse wrote: post #322
superfrank wrote: post #310

I feel like I must be missing something, but I just cannot understand the hype around Claude Code. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully bought in on using AI for development and am super happy to use Copilot or Cursor, but as an experienced developer just chatting with the terminal feels so wrong. I've tried it so many times to switch and I can't get into it. Can anyone else share what their workflow with CC looks like? Eve…

Workflow is this: - I have emacs open for code editing/reviews/git. - Separate terminal emulator with 1-3 claudes - I work on a story by splitting it into small steps ("Let's move this email logic to the email.service.ts", "here's the fields I'd need to add to the request, create a schema validation in a separate file, and update the router and controller") - I mostly watch claude, and occasionally walk through the c…

At that point though isn't it just as fast/easy to cut/paste the code yourself? That was my conclusion after spending a week breaking things down - I was able to get good code out of the AI, but only after spending as much time writing the prompt as if I just did it myself. (note that this was my first attempt at using an agent, maybe I'll learn to do it better)

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by ardmiller »

superfrank wrote: post #310

I feel like I must be missing something, but I just cannot understand the hype around Claude Code. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully bought in on using AI for development and am super happy to use Copilot or Cursor, but as an experienced developer just chatting with the terminal feels so wrong. I've tried it so many times to switch and I can't get into it. Can anyone else share what their workflow with CC looks like? Eve…

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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by softwaredoug »

moregrist wrote: post #208
softwaredoug wrote: post #165

It really says something that MS/Github has been trying to shovel Copilot down our throats for years, and Anthropic just builds a tool in a short period of time and it takes off. It's interesting to think back, what did Copilot do wrong? Why didn't it become Claude Code? It seems for one thing its ambition might have been too small. Second, it was tightly coupled to VS Code / Github. Third, a lot of dumb big org Micr…

I think the answer is pretty simple. It's pretty clear that Microsoft had "Everything must have Copilot" dictated from the top (or pretty close). They wanted to be all-in on AI but didn't start with any actual problems to solve. If you're an SWE or a PM or whatever and suddenly your employment/promotion/etc prospects depend on a conspicuously implemented Copilot thing, you do the best you can and implement a chat bot…

Having worked in large orgs, I can totally imagine someone having an idea like Claude Code and it getting quietly shelved because it

(A) doesn’t align to some important persons vision, who is incentivized have their finger on whatever change comes about

(B) might step on a lot of adjacent stakeholders, and the employees stakeholder may be risk adverse and want to play nice.

(C) higher up stakeholder fundamentally don’t understand the domain they’re leading

(D) the creators don’t want to fight an uphill battle for their idea to win.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by cornonthecobra »

moomin wrote: post #300
marssaxman wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. They really won't, though; Microsoft just does this kind of thing, over and over and over. Before everything was named "365", it was all "One", before that it was "Live"... 20 years ago, everything was called ".NET" whether it had anything to do with the Internet or not. Back in the '90s they went crazy for a while calling everything "Active…

There’s got to be solid reasons why they do this and have done so for so damn long. At the very least institutional reasons. At best, actual research that suggests they make more money this way. But as a consumer, I hate it.

It's because Microsoft isn't a software company. They're a marketing company that happens to make software and a few other bits.

We're now on the back end of that, where Microsoft must again make products with independent substance, but are instead drowning in their own infrastructural muck.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by keithnz »

veryfancy wrote: post #184

GitHub Copilot with Opus 4.5 as the model is great. I have not tried Claude Code, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing.

What I don't understand is why so few people talk about AugmentCode, it uses claude (and others) but builds context of your project and tends to understand your repos better.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by h4kunamata »

After their gaming stock crashing, making Windows 11 completely useless, not to mention its Copilot adoption getting nowhere, this was just a matter of time.

Windows 11 falling apart after AI adoption tells their AI, vibe coding is not going as planned.

If you saw their latest report claiming to focus on fixing the trust on Windows, it is a little too late, even newbies moved to Linux, and with AMD driver support, gaming is no longer an excuse.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by elzbardico »

pezezin wrote: post #439
hightrix wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To further your argument, look at the XBOX. It is impossible to tell which is the latest model by name alone. Where the playstation is simple, the latest is the 5, the previous was the 4, and the one before that was the 3.

To be fair, only Sony follows a consistent naming convention. Nintendo's console names also defy any logic, as did Sega back in the day.

In terms of naming, no other entity in computing will ever be able to surpass IBM solipsistic naming habits:

System 360 OS/2 DB 2 MQ series. PC

It is like IBM just refused to entertain the idea of having competitors, why should it them name a database by any other name than DB?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by mkl »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #159
GaProgMan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True story: a lot of the Microsoft engineers I interact with actually do use Apple hardware. Admittedly, I onto interact with the devs on the .NET (and related technologies) departments. Specifically WHY they use Apple hardware is something I can only speculate on. Presumably it's easier to launch Windows on Mac than the other way around, and they would likely need to do that as .NET and its related technologies are…

You're an MVP? Minimum viable product? Most valuable player?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Most_Valuable_Profes...

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by adityeah »

elzbardico wrote: post #458
pezezin wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, only Sony follows a consistent naming convention. Nintendo's console names also defy any logic, as did Sega back in the day.

In terms of naming, no other entity in computing will ever be able to surpass IBM solipsistic naming habits: System 360 OS/2 DB 2 MQ series. PC It is like IBM just refused to entertain the idea of having competitors, why should it them name a database by any other name than DB?

That is exactly what IBM thought too when they allowed Bill Gates to license the new OS they were supposed to be making for IBM. They had no competition, who are these kids going to sell their OS to?
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