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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by coldtea »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #32
sarchertech wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like the guy who posted that updated his post to say he was just talking about a research project he is working on.

Which is a bald-faced lie written in response to a PR disaster. The original claims were not ambiguous: > My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases. Our North Star is “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code”. Obviously, "every line of C and C++ from Microsoft" is not contained within a single rese…

The authentic quote “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code” as some kind of goal that makes sense, even just for porting/rewriting, is embarassing enough from an OS vendor.

As @mrbungie says on this thread: "They took the stupidest metric ever and made a moronic target out of it"

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by HumblyTossed »

onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

Yay another stupid metric to game!

This will lead to so much enshitification.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by amarant »

sarchertech wrote: post #56
root_axis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely those 100k engineers would shrink to 10k.

Thats still 10 billion lines of code per month if that insane metric were a real goal (it’s not). That’s 200 Windows’ worth of code every month.

Guess Windows 12 is gonna be a bit on the bloated side, Huh?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by GaProgMan »

kcb wrote: post #46

And probably running on their macbooks...

True story: a lot of the Microsoft engineers I interact with actually do use Apple hardware. Admittedly, I onto interact with the devs on the .NET (and related technologies) departments.

Specifically WHY they use Apple hardware is something I can only speculate on. Presumably it's easier to launch Windows on Mac than the other way around, and they would likely need to do that as .NET and its related technologies are cross platform as of 2016. But that's a complete guess on my part.

Am *NOT* a Microsoft employee, just an MVP for Developer Technnolgies.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by vv_ »

unlimit wrote: post #44
johnebgd wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to Ubuntu last week for my desktop. First time in my 25+ year career I’ve felt like Microsoft was wasting my time more than administering a Linux desktop would take. The slop effect is real.

You won't regret. I have been using debian for last 25 years on and off and for last 8 years non stop. I have no complains.

Unfortunately it'll take time for certain companies to release their applications on Linux distro's. So right now I manage with WSL2 + Win 11.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by vv_ »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #52
bflesch wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is in bad faith because you are using false equivalence bias.

I wasn't making an argument. It was a prediction that all major software, (including the major linux distros) will eventually be majority (>50%) AI generated. Software that is 100% human generated will be like getting a hand knitted sweater at a farmers market. Available, but expensive and only produced at very small scale.

On what reasoning do you make this prediction? Just because corporations are mandating their employees to use AI right now does not mean it will continue.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by jodrellblank »

onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

> "Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code.""

No, one researcher at Microsoft made a personal LinkedIn post that his team were using that as their 'North Star' for porting and transpiling existing C and C++ code, not writing new code, and when the internet hallucinated that he meant Windows and this meant new code, and started copypasting this as "Microsoft's goal", the post was edited and Microsoft said it isn't the company's goal.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by walt_grata »

reactordev wrote: post #33
smoe wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is kind of funny that throughout my career, there has always been pretty much a consensus that lines of code are a bad metric, but now with all the AI hype, suddenly everybody is again like “Look at all the lines of code it writes!!” I use LLMs all day every day, but measuring someone or something by the number of lines of code produced is still incredibly stupid, in my opinion.

Microsoft never got that memo. They still measure LoC because it’s all MBAs.

Fuck is there a way to have that degree and not be clueless and toxic to your colleagues and users.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by jodrellblank »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #32
sarchertech wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like the guy who posted that updated his post to say he was just talking about a research project he is working on.

Which is a bald-faced lie written in response to a PR disaster. The original claims were not ambiguous: > My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases. Our North Star is “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code”. Obviously, "every line of C and C++ from Microsoft" is not contained within a single rese…

The original claims were not ambigious, it's "My" goal not "Microsoft's goal".

The fact that it's a "PR disaster" for a researcher to have an ambitious project at one of the biggest tech companies on the planet, or to talk up their team on LinkedIn, is unbelievably ridiculous.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by arcologies1985 »

GaProgMan wrote: post #64
kcb wrote: post #46

And probably running on their macbooks...

True story: a lot of the Microsoft engineers I interact with actually do use Apple hardware. Admittedly, I onto interact with the devs on the .NET (and related technologies) departments. Specifically WHY they use Apple hardware is something I can only speculate on. Presumably it's easier to launch Windows on Mac than the other way around, and they would likely need to do that as .NET and its related technologies are…

Probably because "Windows Modern Standby" makes laptops unusable by turning them on in your backpack and cooking them.

https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c

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