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Post by VerifiedReports »

eptcyka wrote: post #449
VerifiedReports wrote: post #446

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A backup is not all a replacement for iCloud. The point is to sync application data between native apps running on different (and even different kinds of) devices. PIM-style data (calendar, contacts, notes, bookmarks, and so forth) probably comes first for most people. Apple has also added useful stuff like Wi-Fi passwords and E-mail account configurations. And then developers can create their own entries in the iClo…

You can use nextcloud for all pf that, not that I’d recommend it. There are solutions, even hosted ones.

Is there something else you'd recommend?

Regardless, though, if it's not built into the OS, developers can't rely on it being present on a majority of users' phones.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by Flere-Imsaho »

styanax wrote: post #396
sethherr wrote: post #255

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I think the fact that Apple is having to fight this fight is evidence of why they were right to make a secure walled garden. I don’t know of any other service I would recommend my mother use for securely backing up her phone. I think the UK is ultimately going to roll back this law. I don’t think this means that iCloud E2E is hostile to Apple or its users. I think Apple is going to win. The war isn’t won by telling p…

> The war isn’t won by telling people to use GPG Tangent, a friend and I started using Delta Chat with a chatmail relay and it's incredibly friendly to get started, and hides the fact GPG tech is being used from the user; one can export a bundle of the key data as needed and easily copy the key profile to a second device over local wifi (I was impressed at how smooth it was). Not that I've kept track, but Delta Chat'…

Doesn't Protonmail do this as well? Proton to Proton accounts will use gpg under the hood?

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Post by whstl »

fsflover wrote: post #427
whstl wrote: post #319

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The point is that avoiding Android is also easy. I never had an Android device and have no interest. Once again: The only problem is avoiding both platforms.

I avoid both platforms. Librem 5 is my smartphone.

There you go! It’s possible.

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Post by nottorp »

Atlas667 wrote: post #282
chongli wrote: post #266

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Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? Powerful people don't think this way. They think they can leverage the authoritarian regime to their own advantage. They're biased to ignore risks and seek out opportunities. That's what got them to their position of success!

They ARE the authoritarian regime. This myth that capitalist perpetuate that the rich are not the government is the best lie out there. The rich are the government. They are the national interests, countries' industries' is their property.

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Can we have an “AI” post a reminder of this every time someone mentions secret world governments?

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Post by andriesm »

Atlas667 wrote: post #441
potato3732842 wrote: post #430

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Both opinions are so lacking in nuance as to be effectively useless. The rich and their interests are in some contexts the the government, in other contexts they're competing with it. Look at how Bill Gates relationship with government changes by the year and by the subject for a great example.

The only difference is that the government cant cater totally to Bill Gates, they got a couple thousand other capitalists to take care of in order to keep the country afloat. The government is the ORGANIZED rich. It's not "everything Bill says goes". You and me tho, the rest of us millions? We trust strangers that market themselves well, vote and then, just hope they do good by us.

Not all rich guys are part of the ORGANIZED RICH.

Some are, many/most aren't.

For some rich guys whole point of being rich is to be maximally independent.

Some billionaires are all kinds of weird flavor of Anarcho Capitalist (completely anti government), libertarian (small government), objectivist (suspicious of government and against overbearing regulations and mob control).

Not all, but many. I think there is an important distinction between independent minded successful people and crapitalists, the ones who collude with the government and enforce their fortunes via regulatory capture.

Not every rich person is obsessed with controlling the world and other people.

Many just want to live their own lives, and want as little as possible interaction with the government.

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Post by dTal »

zaphar wrote: post #388
port11 wrote: post #379

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Okay, secure E2EE backups we've more or less perfected for a while. There's good F/LOSS solutions for that. And if you're willing to pay a bit, thinks like Backblaze come to mind. In other areas it's true that open-source stuff is less polished, but not backups. I mean, a few months back Apple had a regression where they were un-deleting people's photos, that's pretty nasty.

You haven't actually listed one yet. I can't think of one myself that Grandma could use safely.

SyncThing. It's set-and-forget. All you need is two networked computers. Grandma and Grandpa can back up to each other's phones.

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Post by buran77 »

benoau wrote: post #184
buran77 wrote: post #177

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> Yes this is the way policing should work, if they think you have done something they knock on your door [...] Bonus points if a judge needs to grant them the privilege How exactly would they come after you if your data is "outside of the UK's reach and jurisdiction"? They went after the gatekeepers because they wanted a one stop shop for accessing people's data. They will look to take the same easy road in the futu…

> How exactly would they come after you if your data is "outside of the UK's reach and jurisdiction"? By suspecting you of a crime first , then they can establish access to your device through legal due process and access the data on your device or imprison you for not facilitating it. Same thing they do with computer passwords and whatnot.

> By suspecting you of a crime first

My friend, suspecting you of a crime is the easiest thing to do. Just putting your data outside of UK jurisdiction makes you suspicious. Ever tried going into the US and refusing to unlock your phone if asked at the border because "you have rights"?

> through legal due process

"Legal due process" is literally just what the law says. In this case a backdoor is the legal due process. The UK government took aim at Apple and Google because they wanted a one stop shop for their data access needs, and didn't want to bother going after you "the criminal" individually. If Apple and Google didn't exist and everyone starting backing up their data in some far away, untouchable jurisdiction (should you trust one) you think the UK government wouldn't tighten the noose around individuals the same way? Most governments are going in this direction anyway.

The government showed its intentions with this move: have easy access to your data. They'll keep pursuing that goal no matter what, gatekeepers or not. They define the due process. In this particular case the problem isn't that Apple is a gatekeeper but that the government wants things they shouldn't (by my definition) have.

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Post by Atlas667 »

andriesm wrote: post #455
Atlas667 wrote: post #441

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The only difference is that the government cant cater totally to Bill Gates, they got a couple thousand other capitalists to take care of in order to keep the country afloat. The government is the ORGANIZED rich. It's not "everything Bill says goes". You and me tho, the rest of us millions? We trust strangers that market themselves well, vote and then, just hope they do good by us.

Not all rich guys are part of the ORGANIZED RICH. Some are, many/most aren't. For some rich guys whole point of being rich is to be maximally independent. Some billionaires are all kinds of weird flavor of Anarcho Capitalist (completely anti government), libertarian (small government), objectivist (suspicious of government and against overbearing regulations and mob control). Not all, but many. I think there is an im…

I'm not talking about a small capitalist with a nice house and a nice car.

I'm talking about the super rich.

Thr super rich have to be the government to be super rich and the little capitalists just ride the wakes made by the big guys.

These ideologies you mention are just political stances made by the rich in order to promote their measures amongst the poor.

Objectivism was made by Ayn Rand and it was promoted so much because it defended capitalism. They disseminate these ideas in order to promote their stances.

Libertarianism and ancapism are inconsistent because it pretends that large capitalists wouldnt immediately organize themselves into another large state power. A state is necessary to not have all out war between the powerful.

Ask any political science major and they dont take these ideas at face value because these ideologies cant exist as such.

They are more like life style politics than real political frameworks.

I suspect the reason they are even espoused is because they represent an immediate weakening of government regulation that can increase profits. The capitalists want people to think it can exist so they can have more power.

But a true libertarian or ancap reality is a pipe dream. Its true purpose is to create less oversight and thus more profits. Your average Joe, like you or me, has about 0 benefit from this.

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