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Time to start de-Appling

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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by webdevver »

DeathArrow wrote: post #89

Maybe people in UK should de-stupidify their politicians.

the people are a lot stupider than the politicians. sorry but it needs to be said.

as for the MPs, theyre ok. not as stupid as most think. they are very self-interested and not in the business of 'rocking the boat'. strongly prefer managed decline than any risk taking that could result in things going sideways.

its easy to critique but truthfully the UK is structurally in a dead end (well ok, maybe not... but it does feel that way). but things could be a lot worse, and many don't appreciate that reality. having clean tap water and paved roads is pretty damn good for a country held up by fintech and scraps of last century's industry.

people calling for reforms have no idea what they're in for. Thankfully Reform was deployed together with Nigel Farage, God bless him, rolled in to do narrative control and provide a safe and controlled sponge for dissent. That guy is a 'fixer' for UK political radicalism - every time the crowd starts to have funny ideas, he magically appears and slowly but surely everyone goes back to their £32k/year jobs. I think he's 'retired' from politics thrice now.

truthfully, nobody does politics better than the Brits. but then again, they invented this game to begin with!

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by bnastic »

amelius wrote: post #95
codexb wrote: post #28

Sounds more like people need to de-UK. It's going to be a problem with any company or technology.

It's an Apple problem, because with libre tools you can run your own software to circumvent this law.

You can run your own software, but if asked by UK authorities to provide the keys/password and you don't comply you face prison time.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by [deleted] »

raincole wrote: post #169

> > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. So American companies are complying UK laws, and the conclusion is that UK citizens should "de-American"...? Am I reading it wrong?

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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by bnastic »

Isn't Apple taking UK gov't to court over this, and the reason they have abandoned encryption for everybody is to avoid being forced to provide backdoors. On this you should be on their side, not against them.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by bdcravens »

Apparently she's so thoroughly de-Googled and de-Appled that the page doesn't display correctly on Chrome on MacOS on my machine, cutting off part of the text on the right margin (manages to render correctly if I resize the window to a smaller width however)

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by jcynix »

smsm42 wrote: post #143
disambiguation wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

# Encrypt a file openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -salt -in secret.txt -out secret.enc # Decrypt openssl enc -d -aes-256-cbc -in secret.enc -out secret.txt Wow that was hard.

You may think you're being sarcastic, but you are just stating a true fact here. For about 99.9% of this planet's population, it's not just hard, it's something they'd never ever know how to do and have no intention to ever learn. Like it or hate it, but that's what it is. And, for 99.9% of people who know how to do that, they'd still be too lazy to do it properly (hint: where do you keep secret.txt exactly? What hap…

>where do you keep secret.txt exactly?

Hidden. Encrypted. And the passphrase is: at 5,21 which is the 5th line on page 21 of your favorite book. Which you have more than one copy of, because you like it that much. And you need copies to lend. Or you have the PDF from Gutenberg.org?

And 5/21 might be the birthday of your first child, or your wedding day, or whatever?

It might be a favorite quote, like "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Augmented by the above date if needed?

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by buran77 »

benoau wrote: post #133
buran77 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they are a gateway to everybody They are, and most time this allows them to abuse you. But what do you think happens once you that gateway is blown open, isn't your front door next? > There are multitudes of online storage providers outside of the UK's reach and jurisdiction What I said above means that once you normalize the situation that providers have to open the gate to your yard whenever the state comes knock…

> But what do you think happens once you that gateway is blown open, isn't your front door next? Yes this is the way policing should work, if they think you have done something they knock on your door rather than go to Apple and Google and compromise the entire population all at once through the convenience of their monopolies. Bonus points if a judge needs to grant them the privilege of knocking on your door too.

> Yes this is the way policing should work, if they think you have done something they knock on your door [...] Bonus points if a judge needs to grant them the privilege

How exactly would they come after you if your data is "outside of the UK's reach and jurisdiction"? They went after the gatekeepers because they wanted a one stop shop for accessing people's data. They will look to take the same easy road in the future and there's nothing easier then framing any attempts to keep data out of UK's reach as a crime. They get your data or get you for not providing the data.

The law will be "stupid", tech savvy people will find ways around it. But it's enough to throw a or a noose around as many people as possible and tighten as time goes by. Authoritarianism 101.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by Klonoar »

jckahn wrote: post #151
peterspath wrote: post #148

Maybe it is better to de-tech a bit. Go back to some older decentralised stuff. Like buy cd's and blu-rays instead of digital/drm locked/streaming service shit. Be an owner again instead of a renter.

It's all fun and games until you learn that physical media has a limited shelf life.

It’s why you archive the things you buy on physical media.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by disambiguation »

smsm42 wrote: post #143
disambiguation wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

# Encrypt a file openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -salt -in secret.txt -out secret.enc # Decrypt openssl enc -d -aes-256-cbc -in secret.enc -out secret.txt Wow that was hard.

You may think you're being sarcastic, but you are just stating a true fact here. For about 99.9% of this planet's population, it's not just hard, it's something they'd never ever know how to do and have no intention to ever learn. Like it or hate it, but that's what it is. And, for 99.9% of people who know how to do that, they'd still be too lazy to do it properly (hint: where do you keep secret.txt exactly? What hap…

The double entendre occurred to me, I don't disagree.

But the relative ease does not merely apply to users, but to the barrier of entry for alt products as well.

Consider that the current paradigm is contingent on the "blind trust" users have held in tech for a long time. It's possible that a new kind of app will thrive in a different paradigm.

For example, is there any reason we couldn't have a simple "message wrapper" which only sends encrypted payloads via SMS or Email and decrypts on the fly in a secure sandbox? Easy for the user and hard to regulate.

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