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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by giraffe_lady »

chasil wrote: post #333
Uehreka wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that you’re trying to help, but trying to find a bureaucratic/technical workaround through original research and proffering it as advice is not a super helpful thing to do right now. At this phase of the game, the best advice you can give people is to follow immigration lawyers and long-time activists on social media and do what they advise. I know we’re all used to being the problem-solvers in the room, but th…

I get that you yourself have not researched this problem. These are worthless? Notice this section: "Carry with you evidence of lawful entry or current lawful status in the United States if you have it." https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re... Edit: I went to Medellín, Colombia recently, and going through immigration, I said that I was there for my birthday. The officer then asked me, "That wa…

Please just take the good advice you were given. This response only proves how out of your depth you are here.

We are currently trying to get my neighbor proof of citizenship so he can get out. He is a US citizen who had his passport on him when ICE took him. Now he has no passport.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by daft_pink »

LexiMax wrote: post #158
daft_pink wrote: post #136

I lived in Chicago before this and experienced shootings in my neighborhood every month and carjackings and drug addicts just roaming the streets and wigging out. It makes no sense that habitual criminals are protected and not deported by the local government. I think if the local government worked with ICE to deport criminals, this probably wouldn’t be happening the way that it was. I think the City of Chicago is to…

> It’s sad that this has become a political discussion instead of an effort to fix all the horrible problems in the city. Every American citizen deserves due process and a fair punishment. This is outlined in the constitution and its amendments, and is not up for negotiation. If you live in the US and don't believe in these values, I don't see how any other citizen of the US could people like you as anything other th…

I don’t understand how you got from what I wrote to what you wrote. I didn’t write that at all.

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Post by giraffe_lady »

ragazzina wrote: post #181
kasey_junk wrote: post #178

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There are protests everyday you walnut and the administration is using that as a pretense to move in honest to god military troops. Nearly everyone I know (including my 80 year old neighbor) has been to a protest. You can go to an organizing meeting any day of the week in any neighborhood in the city. We are all walking around with whistles for signaling when ice comes and kids are making them on 3d printers in the l…

Americans protest by writing witty signs and taking pictures for the ‘gram. No wonder they never work.

You have no idea what we are doing or what it is like to do it.

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

scoofy wrote: post #352
Freedumbs wrote: post #345

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wtf are you talking about? they've shot us citizens, they continually beat an kidnap us citizens for no reason. care to explain any of the actions in this blog post? are you aware of the attack they carried out on an apartment building where they took everyone, mostly US citizens into custody in the middle of the night? kidnapping is the best way to describe it. it's 100% accurate. there's no way to distinguish these…

Because detained and arrested is not the same as kidnapping. It’s just not even close.

The ICE "agents" often refuse to show any form of identification. There's no way to distinguish it from a kidnapping.

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Post by chasil »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #451
chasil wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that you yourself have not researched this problem. These are worthless? Notice this section: "Carry with you evidence of lawful entry or current lawful status in the United States if you have it." https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re... Edit: I went to Medellín, Colombia recently, and going through immigration, I said that I was there for my birthday. The officer then asked me, "That wa…

Please just take the good advice you were given. This response only proves how out of your depth you are here. We are currently trying to get my neighbor proof of citizenship so he can get out. He is a US citizen who had his passport on him when ICE took him. Now he has no passport.

This is precisely why the passport card should be carried, but the paper passport should be left at home.

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Post by scoofy »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #454
scoofy wrote: post #352

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Because detained and arrested is not the same as kidnapping. It’s just not even close.

The ICE "agents" often refuse to show any form of identification. There's no way to distinguish it from a kidnapping.

I mean I agree. I think it’s very bad policy to use masking and not immediately identifiable uniforms. Still, this is a hard problem for all law enforcement. It’s trivial for anyone to impersonate police.. especially undercover officers.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by jonway »

tptacek wrote: post #444
keeda wrote: post #438

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My take (from the sibling comment): the actual immigration problem was not as bad as the perception of it. And possibly that perception was deliberately cultivated across the masses.

For several northern metros, the actual immigration problem was distinctively worse than anything that occurred under Obama. If we can't talk about it without lapsing into cope, we don't have much of a chance to persuade the people voting against the perception you're talking about.

Well I asked about this and now you're saying "It was actually worse" and invoking cope. If I promise to have zero follow up questions can you tell me why you think this?

I do live in a northern municipality and we have a number of Venezuelan people here, which is why I mentioned the TPS Act. I became more closely aware of the TPS when I talked to one of the guys about his country. This was a couple of years ago, but I still see his car (he has a Toyota with a "Venezuela" badge on the rear over the "TOYOTA" he ripped off of it, which is how I figured he was Venezuelan)

But I was wrong about the time frame of the bill which apparently did come into effect during Biden admin, giving them rights to work. Sorry about that inaccuracy, it never mattered to me who did it since it seemed like we were helping these people out quite a lot, and I liked him.

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Post by tptacek »

jonway wrote: post #457
tptacek wrote: post #444

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For several northern metros, the actual immigration problem was distinctively worse than anything that occurred under Obama. If we can't talk about it without lapsing into cope, we don't have much of a chance to persuade the people voting against the perception you're talking about.

Well I asked about this and now you're saying "It was actually worse" and invoking cope. If I promise to have zero follow up questions can you tell me why you think this? I do live in a northern municipality and we have a number of Venezuelan people here, which is why I mentioned the TPS Act. I became more closely aware of the TPS when I talked to one of the guys about his country. This was a couple of years ago, but…

At no point did mismanaged immigration during the Obama administration cause a crisis in my local municipality or force us to reallocate funds or scramble to find housing for over 100 people that were otherwise living in makeshift tents outside a police station. I think you'll find it pretty easy to pull up news stories; October 2023 was the peak of it in Chicagoland but you'll see stories running all the way into the middle of the next year.

(I liked Biden too and am directionally supportive of TPS; especially for Haitians, but broadly for everyone. My belief in the fundamental moral rightness of that program makes me less tolerant of the ineptitude with which the programs were managed, not more so: Biden's mishandling of this will probably set similar efforts back for the next 20 years.)

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by jonway »

tptacek wrote: post #458
jonway wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I asked about this and now you're saying "It was actually worse" and invoking cope. If I promise to have zero follow up questions can you tell me why you think this? I do live in a northern municipality and we have a number of Venezuelan people here, which is why I mentioned the TPS Act. I became more closely aware of the TPS when I talked to one of the guys about his country. This was a couple of years ago, but…

At no point did mismanaged immigration during the Obama administration cause a crisis in my local municipality or force us to reallocate funds or scramble to find housing for over 100 people that were otherwise living in makeshift tents outside a police station. I think you'll find it pretty easy to pull up news stories; October 2023 was the peak of it in Chicagoland but you'll see stories running all the way into th…

Thanks, I was editing the comment but I will stop to prevent any wiggle over here.

We have some number of immigrants where I am in a rather conservative small town in a large greater metro area. We have a local history of missionary and aid work, sponsoring people from terrible places like Sudan during the Save Darfur movement, and even farther back to bring Christian european people into the country. I sometimes see people in my daily life like (as you mentioned) a Haitian man who works in an industrial facility, people from Guatemala and Honduras live very close to me, some have bought into businesses and such.

From my perspective its the working rights that do the most to help people out, since amnesty applicants are prohibited from working for a waiting period and have to rely on whatever charities or aid is available, which varies.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by nobody9999 »

scoofy wrote: post #427
xboxnolifes wrote: post #423

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For me, its really simple. ICE agents wouldn't need to be masked and unidentified if what they are doing is okay.

>Cities like Milwaukee require police officers to make their names or officer identification numbers visible. This ensures that if there is an allegation of wrongdoing, the officer can be identified. This also is to guard against impersonators. >There are exceptions. For instance, Milwaukee police detectives wear "plain clothes," often a dress shirt and pants. And, of course, undercover officers dress in such a way n…

>I agree with you that ICE agents should absolutely show their faces. That said, it's not unprecedented. I also think it's naive to think there would not be retaliation against them personally.

And if that occurs, whoever is responsible should be prosecuted.

You know that whole "rule of law" thing that seems to be so unfashionable, among certain masked folks and the liars who run them, these days?

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