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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by pitaj »

smiley1437 wrote: post #59
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #42

I watched the video, but may have missed this, but shouldn't the testing have shown that the powder was substantially better? Or did they not test the "putting some powder into the prewash" thing and so it was just "powder released all at once" vs "tablet released all at once". Even there I'd expect some mild improvement from the powder mixing more easily than a plastic wrapped tablet (though maybe if the content ins…

The pods cost about 6x as much per load as powder. So, even if they had equal cleaning performance, economically the powder would come ahead. As it turns out, the 1/6th-as-expensive powder does an even better job than the pods, making the powder an even more obvious choice (Unless you really value the handling convenience of using a pod and were willing to accept poorer results at a higher expense)

No. The powder he's promoting in the video (which performs better than pods) actually costs more per wash than the most effective pods on the market (Cascade Platinum Plus).

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by 1718627440 »

tguvot wrote: post #110
1718627440 wrote: post #69

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How is fiddling a thing out of a box more convenient than putting a spoon in a box? I don't get that argument.

when i used pods, i had open box under counter. i could with literally closed eyes to take one and put it in machine without looking. using spoon involves more actions and there are chance that some of the powder will end up on floor/inside cabinet/etc. now i use cartridge like this that is replaced once in 3 weeks https://www.mieleusa.com/c/powerdisk-automatic-dishwasher-de... it's even more convenient.

That's not my experience. When I use pods, I need to fiddle them out of the (small) box, remove the "self-dissolvable" plastic, open the bin, put it in, close it and put the pod into the dishwasher. With powder, I take the pot out, hold it over the dishwasher (no risk of putting powder on the floor) and put some in the dishwasher, with the custom spoon, that has exactly the right size, by moving my hand a few centimeters.

Interesting how people have completely different workflows with something trivial as a dishwasher.

> now i use cartridge

Yes, I agree that's obviously more convenient.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tguvot »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #449
sgerenser wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re confused, heat pump dishwashers are extremely rare even in Europe, and basically unavailable in the U.S.

That’s not true at all. Bosch is mostly heat pumps, and they are a top consumer brand in both the USA and Europe.

it looks like "heat pump" in bosch dishwashers is a pump that has usual heating element inside it. https://www.bosch-home.com/us/en/product/12019637

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by Ferret7446 »

vasco wrote: post #264
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #217

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There's more to the video than just that. For example: you should run your hot water tap before turning on your dishwasher, and you should experiment with the dishwasher settings, because they can make a big difference.

The whole point of getting a dishwasher is to not think about any of this though, for me.

That's rather odd? The whole point of a dishwasher, I assume, is to save a lot of time and water, and then to get clean dishes. There's nothing unusual at all about spending a bit of time to learn how to use a tool to save time later, like learning an IDE or what have you. Of course, if you're already getting clean dishes then I suppose no further tool learning is needed for you.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

orev wrote: post #103
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #42

I watched the video, but may have missed this, but shouldn't the testing have shown that the powder was substantially better? Or did they not test the "putting some powder into the prewash" thing and so it was just "powder released all at once" vs "tablet released all at once". Even there I'd expect some mild improvement from the powder mixing more easily than a plastic wrapped tablet (though maybe if the content ins…

This is his (at least) third video on this. Your questions are answered in the earlier ones.

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by EnPissant »

This guy just follows the time tested pattern of "I'll let you in on a little secret!". Pods are the best way to clean dishes because they are capable of containing chemicals that are not practical to formulate into a uniform powder or liquid. All actual science confirms this.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by sgerenser »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #449
sgerenser wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re confused, heat pump dishwashers are extremely rare even in Europe, and basically unavailable in the U.S.

That’s not true at all. Bosch is mostly heat pumps, and they are a top consumer brand in both the USA and Europe.

Bosch dishwashers are NOT heat pump dishwashers! They have a pump that also heats the water. They call it a “heat pump” but I find that terminology a bit strange, as its clearly not a heat pump (which is a term of art in appliances and HVAC). It’s just a resistive heater that is no more efficient than any other dishwasher heating element.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tentacleuno »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #366
losvedir wrote: post #83

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This has been his stance for a long time. He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! One thing I can't get a good answer to is whether the "prewash" step is universally the case or not. I have a good Bosch dishwasher and there's no compartment for a bit of pre-wash detergent. I don't even know if my dishwasher cycle has a pre-wash step. I would assume the dishwasher manufacturer knows what's best. The owner's…

> He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! have you watched his videos? dude is on the spectrum. to be clear, he makes good vids. but his fascinations exist for a reason.

It always seems a shame when naturally clever people are assumed to have autism, or when their cleverness is attributed to it. Why can't someone just be intelligent without labels?

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by russdill »

whatevaa wrote: post #411
russdill wrote: post #132

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It seems like it would be trivial for the machine to pump water in, turn on the heating element, and wait until it reaches optimum temperature before beginning the cycle.

They do in some markets and don't in others. In particular, in USA, regular 110v circuits don't carry enough power for water heating.

It's not a matter of power, but energy. It may take it twice as long as a 220v circuit, but when it's an unattended appliance that doesn't really matter. Per cycle they use about a gallon of water (3-4 per load total). Going from 70F to 140F requires 170Wh for a gallon of water. So if you run it at 1000W it takes 10 minutes.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by rekabis »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #415
kxrm wrote: post #226

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I have a Bosch as well, i sprinkle a bit of powder on the door. It has a pre-wash run which goes quick. The manual is likely referring to not hand rinsing dishes before loading them which was very common 30 or 40 years ago. I had to train my Mother to stop doing that.

I still rinse dishes because it keeps the trap from getting absolutely filthy in one load.

> I still rinse dishes

This! I mean, at least get all of the low-hanging fruit with a quick, needle-spray pass of hot water. And to do so while the plates are still fresh so that stuff hasn’t had the time to dry.

Like, we’re talking about powering through table settings for a half-dozen people at a family dinner in less than 60 seconds. Plates, bowls, cups, silverware; everything done in about 10s per person. This isn’t any kind of a deep scrub; it’s removing everything that will come off easily as fast and expediently as possible before the dishes go into the washer.

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