Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

youtube.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 504 posts

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#51

Post by SoftTalker »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #29
Titan2189 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you check the manual you might find that you can hook the single inlet pipe up to the hot water tap.

I feel like it's probably pointless. The dishwasher will be full of water before the hot water starts coming out the pipe. Depending on how far the dishwasher is from the water heater I guess.

In most kitchens I've seen, the dishwasher is pretty close to the sink. In fact the sink and the dishwasher often share a shut-off valve. So if you run the water at the sink until it's hot, then start the dishwasher, it will get hot water.

Problem is, that most dishwashers have a prewash and a main wash. By the time the prewash is finished and the main wash starts, the water in the supply line will have cooled off quite a bit.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#52

Post by NoPicklez »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #12

I wonder if that's why my now something like nearly 40-year-old dishwasher is so bad for leaking, on certain cycles? Maybe the pods foam up too much, because it seems hell of a foamy inside. At some point, I'll maybe post up the pics of repairing the door hinges - previously it was leaking badly because the chunky metal hinges had cracked and bent, pushing the door up enough to not squash the bottom lip seal. Unobtai…

Anecdotally we started using these dishwasher sheets and the dishwasher started erroring during the cycle and also leaked slightly. On observation when it errored it looked very foamy inside.

Simply changing back to powder completely stopped the error and the leaking and this was in a 1 year old dishwasher

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#53

Post by beerandt »

mrandish wrote: post #28
suprjami wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the summary. American dishwashers don't have their own heater? All dishwashers I've seen in Australia only have cold water supply.

Some US washers don't but many do. However, US washers tend to not heat water as quickly or to as high of a temp. The video cites two reasons: 1. US power being 110V vs 220v. 2. US dishwasher heating elements being limited to 800 or 1000 watts because many are designed to potentially share one 20A residential circuit with an oven and/or fridge due to possibly being retrofitted into a kitchen built before built-in dis…

3) manufacturers placing energy star improvement quotas over safety in programming the cycles.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#54

Post by mvdtnz »

devilbunny wrote: post #7
suprjami wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the summary. American dishwashers don't have their own heater? All dishwashers I've seen in Australia only have cold water supply.

They do. I didn't realize this until my natural gas supply company decided to replace my meter on a Friday. Without alerting me ahead of time so that I could, you know, plan to be gone while my house had no hot water. Whenever natural gas supply is turned off in the US, for any reason, only the gas company can turn it back on. And they can't do so if there's a leak at all. You have to call a plumber to come out, dete…

Sorry how is this story relevant?

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#55

Post by bluGill »

K0balt wrote: post #41
genter wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For water heaters and wall furnaces with a gas control valve, yes. For old stoves, they don't.

TBF the amount of gas used in old style pilots is really tiny. I’m sure it’s possible to accumulate dangerous quantities somehow, perhaps in a sealed subterranean basement if using propane instead of natural gas. Natural gas is mostly methane, which is lighter than air and easily escapes most structures.

Natural gas today is mostly methane, but in the past it often had large concentrations of CO. In 1950 you can turn the gas on and stick your head in the oven as a form of suicide - won't work anymore (unless you get the house to explode).

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#56

Post by mvdtnz »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #42

I watched the video, but may have missed this, but shouldn't the testing have shown that the powder was substantially better? Or did they not test the "putting some powder into the prewash" thing and so it was just "powder released all at once" vs "tablet released all at once". Even there I'd expect some mild improvement from the powder mixing more easily than a plastic wrapped tablet (though maybe if the content ins…

Given the stupid pods are way more expensive I think it's enough to show that there's no benefit.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#57

Post by [deleted] »

devilbunny wrote: post #7
suprjami wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the summary. American dishwashers don't have their own heater? All dishwashers I've seen in Australia only have cold water supply.

They do. I didn't realize this until my natural gas supply company decided to replace my meter on a Friday. Without alerting me ahead of time so that I could, you know, plan to be gone while my house had no hot water. Whenever natural gas supply is turned off in the US, for any reason, only the gas company can turn it back on. And they can't do so if there's a leak at all. You have to call a plumber to come out, dete…

[deleted]

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#58

Post by bluGill »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #49
ash_091 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MIG is for hobbyists. Real programmers use TIG.

I haven't got space for a TIG. However a couple of weeks ago Hofer had an inverter gasless MIG about the size of a Commodore 64 power brick, not including the spool of wire. Can't say I wasn't tempted to get myself a hot-glue-gun-for-metal kind of tool.

> gasless MIG

I hate when people use that term the G in MIG stands for Gas. If you are not running a Gas (argon, CO2...) it isn't Mig. There are flux core wires that are commonly used and called Mig, but they are not Mig (unless there is also a gas flow - this isn't uncommon) and have very different weld properties.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#59

Post by smiley1437 »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #42

I watched the video, but may have missed this, but shouldn't the testing have shown that the powder was substantially better? Or did they not test the "putting some powder into the prewash" thing and so it was just "powder released all at once" vs "tablet released all at once". Even there I'd expect some mild improvement from the powder mixing more easily than a plastic wrapped tablet (though maybe if the content ins…

The pods cost about 6x as much per load as powder.

So, even if they had equal cleaning performance, economically the powder would come ahead.

As it turns out, the 1/6th-as-expensive powder does an even better job than the pods, making the powder an even more obvious choice

(Unless you really value the handling convenience of using a pod and were willing to accept poorer results at a higher expense)

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

#60

Post by lawlessone »

beerandt wrote: post #53
mrandish wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some US washers don't but many do. However, US washers tend to not heat water as quickly or to as high of a temp. The video cites two reasons: 1. US power being 110V vs 220v. 2. US dishwasher heating elements being limited to 800 or 1000 watts because many are designed to potentially share one 20A residential circuit with an oven and/or fridge due to possibly being retrofitted into a kitchen built before built-in dis…

3) manufacturers placing energy star improvement quotas over safety in programming the cycles.

The energy star stuff isn't unique to US dishwashers though.
Post reply on HN