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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by immibis »

ty6853 wrote: post #422
immibis wrote: post #413

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Uh, it's reduced to things that are not harassment. Who said "viewed as"? Are you trying to make everything subjective, so you can argue all opinions about harassment are equally valid? This is like saying the US's gun law is "reduced" to everything "viewed as" the right to keep and bear arms. I don't think you can legally own a nuclear missile anywhere in the US, even in Texas. Which part of taking someone's picture…

Ban on nukes is an infringement but not as egregious as the ones in Europe. In another comment I admit for instance Yemen and Idlib have a stronger right to bear arms than the US. I absolutely acknowledge this. US also has free speech issues. For instance, libel has civil penalties I disagree with. However not being able to post a photo I took of someone in public for me is completely intolerable and barbaric, and a…

Do you find that not being able publish a book someone else wrote is an infringement on free speech?

I agree that you should stay in the USA and let everyone else go to Europe.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by immibis »

sepositus wrote: post #400
immibis wrote: post #241

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In the past it was like: - You can't call people pedophiles unless it was proven in court. - You can't say black people are inferior. Since October 2023 it's like: - You can't call people pedophiles unless it was proven in court. - You can't say black people are inferior. - You can't say Israel is doing a genocide. And has remained there since. Is this what worries you?

History proves limiting free speech is a slippery slope. I can't speak for my EU friends, but for me, yes, it's very concerning to begin justifying why some speech is not OK.

In the USA you can't say "I want to blow up this plane" in an airport, so the slope has already begun.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by dumbledoren »

colordrops wrote: post #259
gyomu wrote: post #63

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The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days.

Better Chinese propaganda than the lying machine that sold the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs lie for a decade.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by dumbledoren »

colordrops wrote: post #259
gyomu wrote: post #63

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The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days.

Which propaganda led the US to the Iraq War?

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

JimDabell wrote: post #336
wordofx wrote: post #329

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600m people in China live in poverty despite claims of the CPC eliminating it. Traveling around China you see this. Showing off main cities is not proof that people don’t live in poverty. Low crime is simply not true. Most crimes are not reported or swept under the rug as local statistics are reported back to the central government and no one wants to look bad. But wow if you have Weibo you can see some pretty horrib…

> Showing off main cities is not proof that people don’t live in poverty. The claim was: > Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. “Showing off main cities” is a perfectly reasonable thing to do to support this claim.

So it's the Dubai argument. "The city life is great, especially for ex-pats, don't mind what's being swept under the rug over there".

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

adamsb6 wrote: post #393
wordofx wrote: post #368

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One of the benefits to China is the low drug use. But you’re blind if you can’t find insane amount of homeless people in Beijing or shanghai. Or that most people there are struggling. If you want to live with tunnel vision then it’s an amazing place to live. (Shanghai cos I didn’t live in any other city. Only travelled)

I guess I must be blind, I've never seen anyone identifiably homeless. The government wouldn't allow encampments, so how can you even tell?

Making homeless people illegal doesn't mean they don't exist.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

Spivak wrote: post #415
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #277

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Red Note is Instagram for rich kids. If China managed to frame their upper class as ordinary, good for them. Propaganda win for their regime. Not sure why we are making that mistake here.

Instagram is Instagram for rich kids, I know. But like I am ostensibly also a rich kid (probably) by your metric. And I have a very nice looking aesthetic social profile, I know how it translates to what real life is. At this point, that's just basic media literacy.

You are missing my point. The average Red Note influencer is not the average Chinese citizen. I guess you could say the same for IG, but not one is holding up rich kids on IG as the typical American.

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #291
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #277

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Red Note is Instagram for rich kids. If China managed to frame their upper class as ordinary, good for them. Propaganda win for their regime. Not sure why we are making that mistake here.

Try actually traveling outside the US. It's eye opening. The rest of the world has been developing and the US has been backsliding. It's impossible not to notice.

Kind of seems like you are avoiding my point, or throwing up a straw man to argue against instead (with a dig at US for good measure).

Of course there are more rich people in China today than there were in decades past. That doesn't mean a rich kid of Red Note is good representation of the average Chinese, who is still poorer than the average Mexican, and trending in the wrong direction.

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #292
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #278

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I did. When I went to China and left the major cities all I saw was rows of high rises next to train stations with nothing around them. Funny, that's never on YouTube.

If you leave major cities in California you see a lot of empty space that's mostly brown-grey dust, with occasional small towns where everyone is very poor and came from Mexico. Your point?

Yes and I see a lot of YouTube videos about all the poverty in California, I see exactly none about the extensive and overwhelming poverty of rural China (and when I mean rural I mean 20 min outside Shanghai).

That's the point. And who trying to lie about eliminating poverty in China (or making the US look much worse), and why are people repeating that lie?

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Post by immibis »

ty6853 wrote: post #388
pezezin wrote: post #352

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And why is that a good thing?

Well for one, Europe has a history of gassing disarmed people and those on registries, for two locking your gun up to pick someone up from the airport just presents an unnecessary opportunity for it to be stolen. Why is it a good thing to put someone into a tiny cage for victimless possession crimes? Why must I convince you why whatever I do is good to preserve my rights? Fuck all that.

Please just avoid Europe. There is no need to argue. You can stay in freedom-loving America, and the rest of us can move to Europe.
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