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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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tester756 wrote: post #387
brookst wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by flkenosad »

tester756 wrote: post #387
brookst wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

If your timeline is brainrot it's because the algorithm has determined that is what you like.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by flkenosad »

tester756 wrote: post #387
brookst wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

No government is not your friend. The do not care about you. Whether that is US or China or EU, they do not have your best interest at heart. As soon as they no longer need you, you will understand.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by coldtea »

tester756 wrote: post #387
brookst wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

>They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government

The hypocrisy is pretending it was all for "openess" and pointing fingers when other countries did exactly the same for their apps/social media.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by threeseed »

Cookingboy wrote: post #265
itake wrote: post #125

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American citizens can use the multitude of copy cat apps for their freedom of speech. If it was about freedom of speech the gov would have requested all the apps to censor the topics, not banning one app.

>multitude of copy cat apps for their freedom of speech. Except they can't. All of the other apps are under U.S. government control and have engaged in severe censorship on certain topics such as the Israel-Gaza conflict. Even the politicians who voted for the bill have openly admitted that making Israel looking bad is the reason they are banning TikTok. This ban effort regained momentum after October 7th, 2023: http…

> have engaged in severe censorship on certain topics such as the Israel-Gaza conflict

Then how are you posting it here ? Isn't this a social media network as well.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by coldtea »

curt15 wrote: post #437
ludston wrote: post #432

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Thinks that China is an enemy government when the USA and China do 500 billion dollars worth of trade each year.

Which friendly governments steal secrets about premier weapon systems like F-22, F-35, etc?

Almost all?

Of course one has to differentiate between "friendly" and subordinate semi-protectorates.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by coldtea »

kelnos wrote: post #250
brookst wrote: post #172

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Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.

Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

>Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms.

Not really, which is the whole point of censoring TikTok.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by flkenosad »

I really hate how people are arguing that it should be banned because of the content being inappropriate in one way or another when the content you see is based on how you interact with the app. We don't all see the same stuff. So yeah China may have more educational content but that's probably just becuase the people there are interested in that stuff. When I travel to the mountains, I get more outdoorsy/hiking videos. When I'm in my hometown, I get things relevant to our community. It's really a beautiful algorithm once you get to know it. And its so sad that the most ignorant in our society feels like they can make decisions like this for the rest of us. This sort of issue shouldn't even be state or municipal issue, it should be a household one.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by jl6 »

gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

The better analogy is to when China wanted to block opium.
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