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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by hilbert42 »

ars wrote: post #425
bluGill wrote: post #112

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You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

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Perhaps I'm cynical enough to suggest the Court had good reason to overlook the matter—fear of personal retribution.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by kombine »

1over137 wrote: post #30
bhouston wrote: post #25

This shouldn't be flagged.

Why not? How is it “hacker news” at all? It’s just news news.

Because Israel is an integral part of our industry. Most major corporations have their presence in Israel. Moreover, Israel is using AI extensively in their war on Palestinian people, which they develop in partnership with the US.

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Post by klipt »

bhouston wrote: post #86
blackhawkC17 wrote: post #44

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I would totally get behind ICC charges against Hezbollah. Bad actors need consequences.

You think Hezbollah would care about ICC consequences? They've been violating the UN resolution calling for them to withdraw north, disarm, and stop attacking Israel for years. Their stated (short term) goal is to disallow anyone in northern Israel to live in peace. (Their long term goal of course is to destroy Israel completely.)

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by setgree »

nick3443 wrote: post #152
setgree wrote: post #85

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If the US, or any European country, started letting Palestinian refugees in en masse, a lot of them would manage to get there. Egypt’s culpability here is the most salient because they’re physically closest; but I don’t see how that makes the country uniquely culpable for failing to prevent a preventable situation.

Genuine question, how would they go out?

If the US decided to let all Palestinian refugees in -- This obviously wouldn't happen, but if -- we could definitely get boats with capacity for thousands of people a day to a pier that we built [0], get them to somewhere where they could buy flights or have people donate to a fund to pay for them, etc.

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/21/politics/us-gaza-pier-aid-not...

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

bluGill wrote: post #112
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

You are assuming the court isn't a political thing that is trying to get him regardless of evidence. The court is at least partially political, and Netanyahu will tell you this is entirely political and he wouldn't get a fair trail.

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by hilbert42 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #449
nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

My question, though, is does pushing these kinds of toothless resolutions make any difference beyond showing that the ICC essentially has no power to enforce its warrants? It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead. Does it do anyone any good to pretend this hasn't happened? It reminded me of the post Elizabeth Warren…

"It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead."

Correct, and that's what happened only about a decade after WWI—the War to End All Wars and look what happened.

I'm fearful history might repeat itself. It has a bad habit of doing so and often with unexpected twists.

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Post by freejazz »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

If you think it's a sham, why would you participate in the process? I don't agree that it is a sham, but it's an absurd principle to think that they'd have any interest in doing so.

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Post by GordonS »

generationP wrote: post #228
GordonS wrote: post #217

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We know that Israel was responsible for many of those deaths. I say that not to absolve Hamas of responsibility, but simply because it's a fact.

And when compared to F35s, tanks, missiles and the iron dome... I think simple, often homemade, rockets are small arms.

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