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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by freejazz »

rkeene2 wrote: post #417
freejazz wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not if its the case that your use of the broken tool would result in the eventual undoing of your work. Like, lets say your staple gun is defective and doesn't shoot the staples deep enough, but it still shoots. You can keep using the gun, but it's not going to actually do its job. It seems useful and functional, but it isn't and its liable to create a much bigger mess.

So to continue the analogy, if the staple gun is broken and it requires you to do more than a working (but non-existent) staple gun BUT less work than doing the affixment without the broken staple gun, you would or would not use it ?

I think you are missing the point. If I do use it, then my result will be a broken and defective product. How exactly is that not clear? That's the point. It might not be observable to be, but whatever I'm affixing with the staple gun will come loose because its not working right and not sinking the staples in deep enough...

If I don't use it, then the tool is not used and provided no benefit...

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by lizard »

gardenhedge wrote: post #436
dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Is this cheating? It sounds like cheating and reflects quite poorly on you.

This can depend a lot on the context, which we don't have a lot of.

Looking at this a different way, they gave first-year students, likely with no established pre-requistites, an open-ended project with fixed hardware but no expectation to submit the final project for review. If they wanted to verify the students actually developed a working program, they could have easily asked for the Pi's to be returned along with the source code.

A project like this was likely intended to get the students to think about the "what" and not worry so much about the "how." Faking it entirely may have gone a bit further than intended, but would still meet the goal of getting the students to think about what they could do with this computer (if they knew how)

While university instructors can vastly underestimate student's creativity, they are, generally speaking, not stupid. At the very least, they know if you don't tell students to submit their work, you can often count on them doing as little as possible.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by throw10920 »

bigtunacan wrote: post #91
jerf wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The entire point of the layout is to keep your fingers on the home row." No, that is how you're told to type . You have to be told to type that way precisely because QWERTY is not designed to keep your fingers on the home row. If you type in a layout that is designed to do that, you don't need to be told to keep your fingers on the home row, because you naturally will. Nobody really knows what the designers were thi…

Hold up young one. The reason for QWERTYs design has absolutely not been lost to history yet. The design was to spread out the hammers of the most frequently used letters to reduce the frequency of hammer jamming back when people actually used typewriters and not computers. The problem it attempted to improve upon, and which is was pretty effective at, is just a problem that no longer exists.

> The design was to spread out the hammers of the most frequently used letters to reduce the frequency of hammer jamming

That's a folk myth that's mostly debunked.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/fact-of-fiction-...

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Post by Uptrenda »

Imagine being google and having 100 BILLION+ in liquid cash, tens of thousands of the best engineers world-wide, and everything you could possibly need for running tech products. Yet being completely unable to launch anything new or worthwhile. Like, how tf does that even happen? Is Google the next Kodak?

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by Uptrenda »

gardenhedge wrote: post #436
dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Is this cheating? It sounds like cheating and reflects quite poorly on you.

I'd call it cheating too but yeah. I like the pi and sensors though. Sounds like the start of something cool. Wish I could get a product like this to put in my roof to detect leaks. That would be useful.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by asylteltine »

DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

I can tell you exactly why. It’s because they have a separate vp and org for all these different products like search, maps, etc. none of them talk to each other and they all compete for promotions. There is no one shot caller same thing with gcp. Google does not know products.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by ukuina »

danielbln wrote: post #31
zozbot234 wrote: post #19

Good, that video was mostly annoying and creepy. The AI responses as shown in the linked Google dev blogpost are a lot more reasonable and helpful. BTW I agree that the way the original video was made seems quite misleading in retrospect. But that's also par for the course for AI "demos", it's an enduring tradition in that field and part of its history. You really have to look at production systems and ignore "demos"…

The GPT-4 demo early this year when it was released was a lot less.. fake, and in fact very much indicative of it's feature set. The same is true for what OpenAI showed during their dev days, so at the very least those demos don't have too much fakery going on, as far as I could tell.

A certain minimum level of jank always makes demos more believable. Watching Brockman wade through Discord during the napkin-to-website demo immediately made the whole thing convincing.

AI is in the "hold it together with hope and duct tape" phase, and marketing videos claiming otherwise are easy to spot and debunk.

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Post by dbish »

suslik wrote: post #444
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

> Microsoft is eating their lunch. Well, that is trully shocking.

Also hard to say it’s really true. OpenAI is certainly, is Microsoft without OpenAI’s tech eating Google’s lunch?

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Post by lmm »

kdamica wrote: post #404
sourcegrift wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was at MS in 2008 September and internally they had a very beautiful and well functioning Office web already (named differently, forgot the name but it wasn't sharepoint if I recall correctly, I think it had to do something with expense reports?) that would put Google Docs to shame today. They just didn't want to cannibalize their own product.

Classic innovator’s dilemma!

Interesting how it seems like MS may have been right this time? They were able to milk Office for years, and despite seeming like it might, Google didn't eat their lunch.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by hot_gril »

gardenhedge wrote: post #439
hot_gril wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of top-down direction is what allowed that situation. Microsoft is MBA-driven and usually has a coherent product lineup, including messaging. Also, "had." Google cleaned things up. They still sometimes do stuff just cause, but it's a lot less now. I still feel like Meet using laggy VP9 (vs H.264 like everyone else) is entirely due to engineer stubbornness.

The same Microsoft that squandered MSN messenger and Skype and then brought us the abomination that is MS teams?

Those are two messaging apps regular people can actually name, unlike all of Google's messaging apps. MSN Messenger survived 13 years supposedly. Skype was also a big thing for several years MS owned it.

And I hate Teams personally, but lots of teams use it.

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