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> you could anonymize your location on Tesla's servers I already anonymise my location on Tesla's servers by simply not owning a Tesla
Your car is filmed and recognized by other teslas.
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Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features
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#452Good. People who buy things should own the things they buy.
I won all my groceries, but once I consume them, they still turn to shit. - I think we need to hold all EV companies "responsible for their shit" So, if you buy a tesla - only tesla should be responsible for recovery from every crash and and turn in. Thus the environmental impact due to the heavy metals and all the plastics made are sole responsible from a closed, boring lopp to hyper the link to the fact that all th…
(my point was I PAy/taxxed/etc) for my X-crement...
I think my logic is off WRT analogy, but I beleive you get the premise...
Can we find a complete model of the impact of the matters which are being affected by the musks?
(im not judging musk - I am judging actions... many of these actions suck. IIATAH?
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Dash cams are much more tightly regulated in the EU than elsewhere (you become a Data Processor and have all the responsibilities that comes with that). Private ANPR in public spaces is unlawful in I think every EU state?
Fucking hell, here we go again: "Dash cams are much more tightly regulated in some parts of the EU than elsewhere." It depends on the eu country of which there are several...including an ex-eu country. How it comes accross: One of the things i hate about America is that in new york all the californian building restrictions and zoning are killing free speech.
With respect, the GDPR is a Regulation and this applies uniformly across the bloc. Enforcement varies, obviously.
TBH your comment comes off as very condescending and ill-informed.
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Everyone accepts a certain risk simply by driving, and we all have relative risk tolerance. Point in case: I knew of a 20-year-old driver who owned a nice, safe vehicle but was too afraid to drive on an interstate highway because they were afraid. That's not a "hunk of metal" issue but a risk-comfort "issue," which really is relative. Regardless, your point highlights the eternal fight between liberty and "safety and…
> why am I required to purchase a vehicle equipped with airbags? The same reason that you can't sell food that's sweetened with lead. You can add lead to your own food if you want, just like you can drive a car without airbags.
Yes, keep lead out of food. The comparison is not accurate because the risk-reward profiles of lead-in-food and airbags-in-cars are misaligned. Food is consumed under all circumstances, whereas airbags are only employed during an emergency situation.
You're also right that I can drive a car without airbags, but the point is that you can't buy a new car without airbags.
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dash cams are much more tightly regulated in the EU than elsewhere (you become a Data Processor and have all the responsibilities that comes with that). Private ANPR in public spaces is unlawful in I think every EU state?
Coming from an American perspective (where, when you are in public, you have basically no expectation of privacy), this seems insane. Does this mean that if I'm filming a vlog at Brandenburg Gate (which inevitably includes video of other people in the background enjoying the area), I'm in violation of privacy laws? Does that mean if I take a video selfie of me and my family members (which, again, includes images of o…
> Does this mean that if I'm filming a vlog at Brandenburg Gate (which inevitably includes video of other people in the background enjoying the area),
I don't know about the law in Germany but I think it is very impolite in any country. You should ask people's permission before putting them online. On Japanese TV they blur out faces of people passing by for example when filming an interview in the street.
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From the perspective of a customer, what is the difference between a heated seat that doesn't work because it doesn't exist, and one that is locked out by software? Assuming the customer isn't paying up front for that feature. Some people don't want to pay for heated seats. Turns out the manufacturer found it cheaper to just include the hardware anyway rather than differentiate on the production line. What's the big…
>Some people don't want to pay for heated seats. Turns out the manufacturer found it cheaper to just include the hardware anyway rather than differentiate on the production line. If it's that cheap then it should just always be included, period. Otherwise it's just transparent greed. Why charge your customers extra for something that costs you literally nothing extra? Why not do the same for everything? The radio vol…
> Otherwise it's just transparent greed.
Welcome to capitalism, it seems you are new here.
> Why charge your customers extra for something that costs you literally nothing extra?
Because (1) you can, and (2) it maximizes profit.
> Why not do the same for everything?
Because of estimates about what people will accept not having in the base model and what some will be willing yo pay extra for. Why do you think there would be some other principal at work here?
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your phone isn't a 3500 lb metal box of death on public roads with other cars, cyclists, and pedestrians
We already have a system in place for this: civil liability and criminal culpability. If you hack your car negligently, you can be sued for negligence or charged with manslaughter.
Same thing if you sell unsafe food, yet we have regulations, because it's preferable to not be killed in the first place.
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#458Pretty sophisticated attack vector: low voltage attack on AMD secure execution environment during boot. I wonder how many tries you need to get whatever bits you need in the right place. Also, I imagine you only need to cut 12V wires to do this, but I admire the willingness to get in there direct on these systems. I'd be a little nervous to make those cuts personally. Buried in the article is the claim that this will…
Semi related question I suppose. Do the Teslas simply use GPS for their location information? If so, couldn't one spoof the GPS using a hackRF or similar?
I have no idea about Tesla specifically but normally you'd also you cell and wifi information (in their case probably also information from other teslas around) and additionally you have accelerometer and the whole "self-driving" computer to estimate where the car is and where it's going. It's also a known attack vector and likely covered because GPS signal is really weak so it's easy for somebody outside the car to try to make a mess.
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> Hacking otherwise reasonable software-locked features feels like theft to me. I disagree, pretty strongly. There is a line. They sold you something in its entirety, including the seats with wires. I would agree with you if you had to download the control software from their servers. I would agree with you if you if the upgrade provided you physical wires to install, even if you had to install them. Related I think…
How do you feel about software that has various 'pro' features that cost more but are unlocked with a key and don't require a separate download?
I think the burden is on the software developer to figure out what they need to do legally. It might be inconvenient for them to require a separate download, and they'd have to make peace with it if they deliver the functionality in its entirety to you during the first sale.
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#460Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the perspective of a customer, what is the difference between a heated seat that doesn't work because it doesn't exist, and one that is locked out by software? Assuming the customer isn't paying up front for that feature. Some people don't want to pay for heated seats. Turns out the manufacturer found it cheaper to just include the hardware anyway rather than differentiate on the production line. What's the big…
Some people don't want to pay for a 4th bedroom. Turns out the builder found it cheaper to just include the extra bedroom rather than differentiate on blueprints. What's the big deal? The ability to change your mind and increase your mortgage without having to deal with construction in the future seems like a nice bonus. Everyone wins. Cars are property. It would be absurd to think portions of my property are off lim…
Aside from the significant associated increase in maintenance costs on e.g. the roof that would come with such an option, I bet you the market would be fine with that. Stamp out houses that are all alike except some have less bedrooms enabled. Hell, offer the extra bedroom capacity as a rental option.
If the customer only paid for 1 bedroom, they're going to save a lot of money. It's the extra maintenance costs of that roof and the associated space taken up by the structure that would make it a harder sell, otherwise dynamically growing living space would be very interesting.