Every time I posted on SO(or other SE sites) I always have to clarify my question with something like "I know it's probably not good idea to do A, and I understand B could be a better solution, but in my specific situation I really want to do A." Then people will still try to close my question because it's a duplicate of B.
I've literally included the search terms I used to ensure it wasn't a duplicate. Other times ice explained why this is clearly not a duplicate . Nope. Closed for being a duplicate.
The Fall of Stack Overflow
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Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow
#452I left SO because I was downvoted to oblivion for an answer that took me 2 minutes to write - but I had answered a similar question several years before (which I actually didn't remember). Searching for my own answer would have taken way more time than it took to write a new one. When I pointed out that it's not the responsibility of the one answering to search for dupes, but for the one asking, I was told that I sho…
Remember all users are moderators. There are some explicit moderators but they don"t close or downvote often they deal with other problems - or on smaller sites just use normal user powers to vote and close.
Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow
#453Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've literally included the search terms I used to ensure it wasn't a duplicate. Other times ice explained why this is clearly not a duplicate . Nope. Closed for being a duplicate.
Sometimes it can be as simple as "version 2 of this software does things this way, but I'm using version 14, how can I do this?". "Closed as duplicate: [question from 12 years ago]".
The issue is that all users are moderators and the newcomers are the ones not reading questions etc.
I would flag this sort of thing for a real moderator.
Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow
#454The problems I’ve noticed with Stack Overflow are a few and hard for me to narrow down but basically: - google used to return really relevant results for SO, and it stopped doing so at some point a while ago - moderation on SO has gotten progressively more horrible. can’t tell you how many times I found the exact, bizarre question I was asking only to see one comment trying to answer it and then a mod aggressively sh…
Q: [very explicit title about F in context X] I'm specifically not asking about F in context Y which I know about but is irrelevant; I'm specifically not asking about libT which may accept it in accordance with standard U; instead, in context X, is F working for libS?
A1 [100+] [+50 bounty] [auto-accepted] [date d]: "it works" + long winded answer about decontextualised substring of F proposition working for libS in context Y
Comment 1: this is not the correct answer, see A15
Comment 2: complaint that A15 note about U is from a second hand site so answer is warrant of discredit [even though authoritative docs about U are not publicly available]
A2 through A7 [30+]: "it works" (rehash of A1, posted within d+[1..365])
A8 [30+]: Q is a dupe, see this answer [link to question and answer about libS in context Y]
A9 through A14 [30+]: "it works" (gives example for libT, which behaves differently)
A14 through A17 [30+]: "it works" (gives example of standard U, which libS does not comply with)
A15 [5] [d+5]: Q being explicit about F for libS in context X and explicitly _not_ about context Y, let's address it for libS in context X: *it does not work* because foo (link to libS doc || source code || example). Tangent for the sake of completeness, context X is irrelevant because bar is orthogonal to foo + context Y. standard U does not apply because libS is not compliant [quote or link about U]
Comment 1: this is the correct answer
Comment 2 [d+1095]: answer is invalid because libS vN+1 has just been released and adds F in context X
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#455I remember trying to learn front end development around 2013, was fascinated by responsive web design and twitter bootstrap. Asked some questions on that site, was mostly ridiculed for my amateur questions several times, never touched the site again and also never learned front end. So this is my story with that site.
I had the opposite problem; I'm actually quite skilled in areas but never had enough "karma" to answer any questions so I've never ever been able to.
Thus I don"t understand your issue. This is a XY-problem :) I know enough about the subject to know that your issue is not the actual issue as anyone can answer, if you had issues then there is something else.
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#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
What kind of spam do you get when searching something specific and technical? Who is trying to SEO their way to the top for "how to set redis max memory"? A lot of comments here saying the spam is beating out SO, but what spam and from who and why??
There are many websites that scrape Stack Overflow's content and serve it up again with their own ads.
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#457For me, I would say over 5 years ago I would post a question and get a flurry of activity within the first 10 minutes.
Now I post and I get no activity at all, and I end up answering my own question a day later.
Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow
#458It's the hamburger feedback but without any buns around it. And I just wanted to contribute, on my own time often, to help somebody else with the same problem...
Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow
#459The problems I’ve noticed with Stack Overflow are a few and hard for me to narrow down but basically: - google used to return really relevant results for SO, and it stopped doing so at some point a while ago - moderation on SO has gotten progressively more horrible. can’t tell you how many times I found the exact, bizarre question I was asking only to see one comment trying to answer it and then a mod aggressively sh…
Your first point seems to be most important. > - google used to return really relevant results for SO, and it stopped doing so at some point a while ago SO might be horrible now, but it still holds years worth of answers that were just fine a few years ago - so why aren't they showing up now? Google's current recommendation of going to w3schools or - even worse - geeks4geeks or any other content farm is and always wi…
Now, I do have a Stackoverflow user as well, but I actually prefer publishing my ideas on my own site rather than help build someone else's content farm for free. Stackoverflow is, itself, a content farm, and it can be very hard for new users to join the site. You can not even post comments without first earning enough points. For a very long time I would actually resist joining the site for that reason. I have only recently earned enough points to comment.
Now, I happen to own a so-called "content farm" too, and the choice can either be between creating a standard blog with very little traffic or try and cover everything you can possible think of in order to compete with other "content farms" in your niche. It is very difficult if not near impossible for a single individual to create a valuable resource and maintain it, and it is simply not sustainable if you have paid authors working on it as well. There is no way you can monetize it decently. Stackoverflow probably found a way around this problem by simply leaning back and monetizing their users content.
Once your site grows big enough, you also deal with a ton of spam- and hacking attempts. Everything combined just requires an inhumane amount of time to deal with.
Of course, authors are desperate because of how difficult it is, and perhaps especially authors from poor countries that might not have other sources of income. Their basic business model seem to be: create a content farm with ads, fill it with copy-written spam and hope Google indexes. Often these sites even have multiple authors, which is quite baffling given the extra expense it must create for them. But I do not think they have actually thought the idea through – because it is just not profitable.
Weirdly it's often in the technology niche, which they are clearly not proficient in, and more or less containing stolen solutions with little original content added.
I have seen a few sites like this, ripe with some of the most nasty grammar too. It interesting they are able to rank simply based on their volume? Of course they must be using blackhat techniques, including linkbuilding if you analyze their link-profiles, because there is no way that something so poorly designed and maintained is getting that much attention compared with official sources or stackoverflow.
For those of us who own blogs, such sites are often easily outranked simply by writing a comprehensive article on whatever tiny topic they have posted about.
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#460Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you tried to use it?
I did. It's painfully slow. I can Google the question, click one of the top results, skip to the relevant part and read it faster than GPT can generate two sentences. You also have to build an elaborate prompt instead of throwing two/three keywords into it. It doesn't help that GPT is insistent on replying in the three paragraph format, meaning that the first 30-40 words it creates are just trash to be ignored. I fou…
I don’t even open SO anymore; if it has a direct answer to your question, the LLM almost certainly does too; and asking new questions on SO is basically impossible.
If you manage to survive the gauntlet of “too specific, already answered, not general interest, arbitrary moderator activity”, the chances of getting an answer that answers your question can take forever; most likely you’ll get a stupid answer that doesn’t answer it, upvoted by idiots who don’t understand that it not an answer the the actual question, and, ultimately, because it “already has an answer”, ignored, never to receive an answer.
Maybe one day, a passing savant will answer in a comment.
…and yet, you find it faster and more reliable?
You, and I, have had different experiences on stack overflow in the last two years.
> For real work it isn't as useful.
To you.