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Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by com2kid »

logifail wrote: post #409
Wheen wrote: post #347

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> will rely heavily on public chargers Public chargers =/= DC fast chargers (like Tesla superchargers). I've already seen level 2 chargers that drop down from light posts in my city. Roll those out to every light post near apartment buildings and throw in some curb-side stalls if you need more capacity. Most people won't need to charge every night with 200/300mi+ range, so you won't need a 1:1 mapping of chargers to…

> Roll those out to every light post near apartment buildings and throw in some curb-side stalls if you need more capacity Don't forget your local electrical grid will likely need a significant upgrade too. An LED streetlamp probably draws a couple of hundred watts, tops.

Local electrical grids are already being upgraded due to the increasing need for AC thanks to climate change.

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

6DM wrote: post #430
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> Most EVs charge at home most of the time Umm, there's a significant chunk of the world's population who will likely never be able to charge at home, because they live in apartments and park on-street. "EV owners who live in apartment buildings and park on the street will rely heavily on public chargers—in 2021, 42 percent of European EV owners living in cities had no access to home charging points." https://www.mck…

Also, surprisingly there are HoA's that are fighting people that want to install an outlet for their car e.g. town home owners without a garage.

I offered to pay for a charger to be installed in my spot, and the hoa board flat out refused. Granted, they're old, and are probably still upset about the switch to unleaded gasoline...

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by drewg123 »

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Not all Tesla's can speak CCS. Older Teslas need a $400 retrofit to be able to use the Tesla CCS1 adapter. https://shop.tesla.com/en_ca/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter

Not much of a practical problem until some other charging network builds out enough NACS chargers that a Tesla driver would try using anything other than a Supercharger. Looks like the cutoff for this is vehicles before May 1, 2019.

Once you have the retrofit, you can use existing CCS fast charger with an adapter. So it is useful in that sense..

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Post by jliptzin »

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You just need a good EV. PHEV is like buying a typewriter with a screen when everyone is already buying computers. I have had a pure EV since 2019 and never had charging problems like that and I drive a lot. I have the 14-50 at home and it charges quickly, every morning I’m at 80% charge. Spend $100 to get an electrician to fix that for you.

Different people have different driving patterns and different needs. Some parts of the country have less (and crappier) charging infrastructure. Those parts of the country coincide with areas where places are further apart and you need more range. For some of us who happily live in flyover states, a PHEV is an awesome in between. I'm glad that an EV works out for you. Hopefully charging times (and charging infrastru…

I lived in a rural location and now in suburbs and still never had any issues, even 4 years ago when there were far fewer chargers. Here is a map of the level 2+ chargers in the country:

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/fi...

With 300 miles of range all you have to do is get to the next charger and if you're willing to spend 5 minutes in advance to plan your road trip it really doesn't add any extra time if you stop to charge while eating, using the restroom, etc. I like the extra cargo space not having an internal combustion engine gives me.

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Post by delecti »

acomjean wrote: post #421
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For the large majority of driving PHEVs are superior. They offer identical efficiency for short (<50 mile) trips at a large cost savings. They can handle longish trips where a BEV would wind up dead on the side of the road. Even in the rare circumstances where BEVs are better the advantages are slight.

Hybrids are great. There are downsides: extra weight of a gas engine, more mechanical complexity, and weird maintenance, especially if its an gas engine your not using very often. The person I know who has one went a couple months without using much gas. Does gas go bad?

That's a great point to raise, because yes, gas does go bad. Without added stabilizer, it lasts 3-6 months.

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Post by minhazm »

HWR_14 wrote: post #288
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> At present, Tesla really feels like a bit of a "Jack of all trades, master of none" job. That's an odd take. Model Y is the best selling vehicle in the world, and the second best selling vehicle in the US after the Ford F-150. It outsells the Corolla, Camry, Rav4, Civic, etc. Look at Mercedes, BMW and Audi sales, they've been plummeting because everyone is buying a Tesla instead. They're also the leading battery st…

According to the 2022 numbers I was able to find, the Model Y was number 9 in the US, behind the Tacoma, CR-7, Sierra, Camry, Rav4, Ram, Silverado, F-150. And the numbers on most non-Teslas seemed down because of chip supply. I don't think it's controversial to say that cars have been supply constrained in the past few years.

I guess I should have been specific that I'm referring to the last quarter. Tesla's sales growth has been ~50% YoY so comparing to 2022 numbers won't be so accurate going forwards.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23738581/tesla-model-y-ev...

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Post by davrosthedalek »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #344
logifail wrote: post #310

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> Most EVs charge at home most of the time Umm, there's a significant chunk of the world's population who will likely never be able to charge at home, because they live in apartments and park on-street. "EV owners who live in apartment buildings and park on the street will rely heavily on public chargers—in 2021, 42 percent of European EV owners living in cities had no access to home charging points." https://www.mck…

On street parking is very much allowed only in some countries, the biggest one being the USA, but much of western Europe it is disallowed (or at least, you pay for it by the hour). Many countries require proof of parking spot before they will let you even buy a car. Even in that case, it isn't hard for cities to put out L2 charging pylons at each on-street parking space. They can just combine it with street light inf…

At least in Germany, most city areas where people live are "Anwohnerparken", so people who live on the street are allowed to park on the street, nobody else.

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Post by martythemaniak »

One fact that's not widely appreciated: Tesla is very efficient, and this efficiency is starting to have macro effects such as this. They've been building out their network diligently for over a decade, they have the permitting, assembly, uptime, everything dailed in. Every single dollar of capex they put in the network will get them more connectors and more sites in less time than if EA or any other company will get for that same dollar.

They might also be the only major manufacturer outside of China that can build EVs profitably at scale. 5 years ago the Model 3 had no competitors and today they have plenty, when looking at the spec sheets. But no one has been able to ship the sheer numbers of EVs Tesla has, because they either physically can't or won't do it because can't make money (it's hard to say as legacy autos don't break out their EV divisions)

The Model 3 now costs $40,240, which is $33,400 in 2018 dollars after inflation. That is, they are making comfortable margins on the $35K base model they aspired to when they started selling the model.

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