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Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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If staff produces less value than they cost, then they get cut.

Why not come up with better projects for said staff that help the company? Why should they suffer from being mismanaged?

> Why not come up with better projects for said staff that help the company?

If you can think of better projects, you can become their competitor and hire their staff away.

Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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Here’s a thought that has been percolating in my mind for a bit since these “market adjustments” began a month or two back. Somehow at some point, in what perhaps could be blamed on the ever-hated mass produced MBAs - companies got really comfortable with the “it’s not personal, it’s just good business” of letting go of their employees for a slightest reason, or sometimes for no reason at all - just to make it look t…

I have no opinion on the MBA bit, but I think you're spot on about people starting to treat companies the way the companies are treating them. ~10 years ago, when I got my first job, I was in the minority, pretty much the only person cynical about big companies' claims how "people are our most important resource", how important is the company "culture" and all of that corporate kumbaya. And, at that point, the vast m…

> Fast forward to now, and pretty much everyone has the attitude of "f*k these guys", doesn't want to be there and will do the bare minimum to get by.

And anybody with that attitude should rightfully be let go. It's mutual.

(I don't want co-workers who act like that.)

Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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I have no opinion on the MBA bit, but I think you're spot on about people starting to treat companies the way the companies are treating them. ~10 years ago, when I got my first job, I was in the minority, pretty much the only person cynical about big companies' claims how "people are our most important resource", how important is the company "culture" and all of that corporate kumbaya. And, at that point, the vast m…

Nearly 20 years ago, when I was trying to find HR for my first day, there was an older man talking with them already. He said, and I quote, 'Fuck you all, I got your exit interview right here' while grabbing his crotch. He turned to walk away, smirked at me, and said 'what? I'm retired now.' Point being, I don't think you were the only one who didn't love the company 10 years ago.

No matter what happened, this is not a mature way to talk to people. Even in the face of disagreements, why can't people be decent?

Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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I'll copy an earlier comment I made on a separate thread specifically with South Asia in mind, but I've seen similar dynamics in ASEAN as well. Also, I think you are an L1 Japanese speaker. If you're L1 is Indo-European, other Indo-European languages tend to be easier to learn. Why go to Japan (in reality only Tokyo) where median software TC is around $60k [0] when you can go to Canada where median software TC is aro…

I don't see a huge difference between $60k and $77k for instance, and it all depends on your actual job offers. Regardless, while I don't disagree with your facts, the original claim (not by you) was that Japan had a "hostile immigration policy that is against permanency". This is false, and sounds like a lie in fact, unless the OP just woke up from cryo-sleep after being frozen in 1985. Sure, there are real challeng…

Agreed that GP's comment is innacurate on that point, but...

Are you White? That's the differentiatng factor. If you're of South Asian or Chinese or SE Asian origin (not even nationality, origin), you face much less microagressions in other countries than you do in Japan. In general, factoring in CoL and the insular culture, Europe and other Asian countries tend to make sense. Heck, when I was backpacking out in Isan, while a number of people did go work in assembly lines or pick mushrooms in Japan on the JET visa, they preferred South Korea and Taiwan due to a (relatively) less insular culture than Japan, though Germany, the US, and Australia was the more popular option. This is reflected in diaspora demographics as well.

Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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Yes, I totally agree. The whisper quiet vans driving safely and unhurriedly up and down the street where my kids play are a much better solution. I hope that your plans to legislate the status quo into permanence are successful.

the Rivian EDV is very quiet ;)

Heh, I believe you. I haven't seen one yet, but looking forward to it.

Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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Has the relationship between employer and employee ever felt more transactional?

I’ve worked professionally since 1996. There has never been a day in my professional career that I thought of any job as any more than a means to support my addiction to food and shelter

> addiction to food and shelter

well put :)

Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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Japan makes it very hard to lay off employees too, but unemployment is very low.

Also Australia. From the outside (and this could well be the wrong take), it seems as though “at will employment” leads to cultural problems. People are afraid to speak their mind, and hierarchy becomes dominant. I like that Australia is a bit more egalitarian, and people can “speak truth to power”.

Having worked salary jobs in tech in both countries, I can tell you that hierarchies are a much bigger thing in Germany than in the U.S. In tech companies as well as in academia, FWIW. Her Professor, Herr Direktor, these are actually still a thing in Germany.

Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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> a hostile immigration policy that is against permanency will do that. Why are you spreading lies? Permanent residency is really, really easy to get in Japan, unlike the US where you have to win a lottery.

Wages for SWEs are lower than other comparable countries in Europe, Canada, and APAC (SG, AU, NZ) and Japanese fluency (not a PR requirement but still needed to live in Japan) is hard to acquire. Why deal with the headache of learning a hard to learn language not spoken outside of a handful of islands in the Northern Pacific with a very insular culture when you can become a German or Canadian national for much less e…

That's not what GP was critizising tough.

Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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First encounter with this initialism. TANSTAAFL / TINSTAAFL "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tanstaafl.asp Also, if I may add: I wish there were more substance in your comment. This non-sequitur was disappointing.

Most hackers would already know TANSTAFFL through Robert Heinlein's works?

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Re: Amazon to Lay Off over 17,000 Workers, More Than First Planned

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What's the new performance process?

There is a new system that has annual reviews rather than biannual reviews. It slightly changes the expected rating distributions and introduces a "meets most" rating that is between the old "needs improvement" and "consistently meets expectations" ratings. There is no expected PIP rate. It was developed in 2021 and rolled out early in 2022. The ratings changes were small compared to process changes, which are intend…

> There is no expected PIP rate.

Do you say that as at least a senior manager or based on what the company told you as an individual contributor?

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