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Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by Dylan16807 »

scarface74 wrote: post #444
Dylan16807 wrote: post #441

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> It mandates a USB C connector. They weren’t smart enough to mandate that “all USB C cables sold in the EU must actually meet the standard”. Then I don't know why you're spending so many posts purely about cables in complaint of this law. Cables have gone from unregulated to unregulated. If your underlying argument is "this is in the right direction but they should have gone further", you are not coming across that…

> Otherwise I don't see how that kind of failure is possible. Don’t you just love the USB C “standard”? https://www.quora.com/Why-do-my-headphones-only-charge-with-... Just so you don’t think I’m choosing some no name headphones as an example https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00271328

I don't blame noncompliant cables on the standard. Why would I?

Your first link has one answer that starts with "likely because it’s not usbC"

Your second link just seems like ass covering? The only complaints I can find of those not charging seem to be unrelated to the cable used.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by Ferrotin »

scarface74 wrote: post #404
Ferrotin wrote: post #376

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You’re already free to buy a phone with those features, without worrying about extra chargers.

The aim was to “prevent ewaste” by “standardizing cables”. The “standard” that the EU is mandating doesn’t do any of that if an Android user who bought an iPhone can’t use the “standard” cable to its potential.

Yes, it does do that.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by ThatPlayer »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #271

Does this mean Apple will add USB-C functionality beyond just charging? For example, connecting to hard drives.

No, that'll be up to Apple to implement if they choose to. The only EU requirements are USB-C for charging, and USB-PD for charging protocol.

They could remove all USB data functionality completely if they wanted to, the EU law is only about device charging.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by scarface74 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #451
scarface74 wrote: post #444

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> Otherwise I don't see how that kind of failure is possible. Don’t you just love the USB C “standard”? https://www.quora.com/Why-do-my-headphones-only-charge-with-... Just so you don’t think I’m choosing some no name headphones as an example https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00271328

I don't blame noncompliant cables on the standard. Why would I? Your first link has one answer that starts with "likely because it’s not usbC" Your second link just seems like ass covering? The only complaints I can find of those not charging seem to be unrelated to the cable used.

Those cables would be very much in compliance with the “standard” mandated by the EU. The EU only mandated the connector.

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Post by Tagbert »

brundolf wrote: post #103
rootusrootus wrote: post #51

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> I'm more cynical in my interpretation of Apple's motives: I think they just wanted those licensing dollars They've switched every other non-iPhone device to USB-C. The more plausible interpretation would be that they don't want to piss off a core constituency of customers who've built up 10 years of Lightning cables. The number of people who care about standardizing on USB-C are definitely less than the vocal folks…

> They've switched every other non-iPhone device to USB-C The only device I know of that started out on lighting and switched to USB-C was the iPad, and that was specifically because they're pushing it as a "creator" device, for which people needed to be able to plug in things like flash drives, SD card adaptors, cameras, mice and keyboards, etc. There's significantly less drive for those kinds of accessories on iPho…

Last week, with the new Apple TV the remote switched from Lightning to USB-C charging. That indicates that they are now in the process of transitioning accessories. It’s a pretty clear indicator of an overall shift in their plans.

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Post by hot_gril »

scarface74 wrote: post #447
hot_gril wrote: post #431

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What wattage, enough to charge my phone. What speed, don't really care but it's at least the same as Lightning. Video, never used it. EU wanted to break up Apple's proprietary control over the iPhone ports and create a charging standard, cause charging is the important part. Anyone can make a higher-spec USB-C cable without going to Apple, and chargers are uniform for all phones. Worth repeating that I don't agree wi…

> What wattage, enough to charge my phone Maybe or maybe not. There are plenty of really low watt capable USB C cords that come with headphones for instance. > What speed, don't really care but it's at least the same as Lightning That’s not true either. There are plenty of “power only” USB C cables.

I charge my iPhone on an 0.5A source. What's the lowest a cable goes, the USB 2.0 spec of 2A? Even power-only is fine in most cases.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by RealStickman_ »

hot_gril wrote: post #241
RealStickman_ wrote: post #45

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Why would the other phone vendors switch to a different connector though?

Cause the EU forces them to, lol. Yeah it ain't happening.

Why would the EU force a connector that is inferior in data transfer rates on everyone?

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Post by ThatPlayer »

nvahalik wrote: post #219

> Joswiak also claimed that the proprietary Lightning cable and the USB-C cable would not exist if Apple had agreed to the EU original demand of using the older Micro USB charging cable which had poor reliability and could easily be damaged. So... what happens when USB-C no longer makes sense anymore? Will they have to keep using it no matter what? Wait for the law to change?

Look at all the defenders of Lightning despite it not being able to handle USB 3, or even HDMI video such that Lightning to HDMI adapters have a processor to decode compressed video to HDMI. Lack of innovation hasn't mattered there. I don't expect many people to care for anymore innovation in a phone port.

Samsung's recently released Galaxy Z Flip4 still has a USB 2 port. Even Apple's new iPad does the same.

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Post by ranguna »

BackBlast wrote: post #151
djvdq wrote: post #127

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I was thinking the same about both connectors. And then I bought an iPhone. I never broke a USB-C connector nor socket in few years of heavy usage on few devices, but I needed to buy new lightning cable because the pins have worn out after less than a year of just connecting the cable to iphone.

I wore out the USB-C connector on my android phone in about a year and a half of daily charging, so probably lasted less than 500 cycles. I had to resort to wireless charging to keep the phone functioning. This is my first long-lifed usb-c connector and so far it doesn't impress for durability. My wife has used apple for years, while she does need new cables from time to time the phone side has never had an issue.

I've used my USB c phone for two years now, charge once a day and it never failed me. My lightning cable on the other hand, feels so cheap and thin like it could break at any minute and the connector is so tiny that it looks like it could snap on the slightest bend. USB c on the other hand, since it's hollow, feels way stronger to bending.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Post by ranguna »

jlokier wrote: post #380
djvdq wrote: post #127

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I was thinking the same about both connectors. And then I bought an iPhone. I never broke a USB-C connector nor socket in few years of heavy usage on few devices, but I needed to buy new lightning cable because the pins have worn out after less than a year of just connecting the cable to iphone.

I have two broken USB-C cables next to me. They just wore out and broke. They have only been used to charge my phone. To be fair, it's not the metal connector which broke, it's the plastic parts, but still, that's enough to make the connector flimsy. I also have a phone with a broken USB-C port (data signals don't get through). This phone was effectively bricked when the display stopped working. It still has files on…

It's pretty incredibly that none of my USB C devices have faced such issues, have them for around 2 years now.
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