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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? It doesn't matter how bad another comment is—you're still breaking the rules.

You've unfortunately been doing this repeatedly, and we ban such accounts. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Over the years I've seen several female friends try to stay vegan. One managed a decade before she couldn't put up with the anemia any more. The others quit sooner, because of weight loss, malnutrition, and other issues. It seems humans were evolved to scavenge animals as well as eating plants. It's not just protein, it's iron and fats, and a few other things.

Vegan for ~15 years here. It's important to be thoughtful about nutrition when going that route (I do various supplements 2-3x day). Common pitfalls for people are B vitamins, zinc, and iron (as your friend found out the hard way, perhaps), and there are vegan gummies with these specific vitamins/minerals in them.

Why are all supplements gummies lately? I see rows of gummy supplements at pharmacy and groceries. I would rather take a pill.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? It doesn't matter how bad another comment is—you're still breaking the rules. You've unfortunately been doing this repeatedly, and we ban such accounts. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Hey, at this point I tried deleting my account, but couldn't find it in the UI. Is it even supported?

Anyway, can you give me a hand and ban me instead? Your help is much appreciated!

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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>ELI5 Hmm. That would come with the more frightening risk of HN community scrutiny, a sort of indelible scabies of the retrospective consciousness. What the hell.. If you're 5, or any age with a palate for insects, especially centipedes [1], cook them first or consider sugar free gummy worms until mom can prepare them properly. More seriously, it depends largely on behavior, ie personal hygiene, industrial standards,…

Thanks so much for the excellent comments. You seem familiar with the topic, so a question: How do you convince a doctor to actually check for parasites? Two years ago I was bitten by many, many triatomines in a subtropical environment and have recently been seeing symptoms similar to chagas disease, but no doctor I've spoken to is interested in testing for it. I understand it's not an everyday concern, buy the resis…

>How do you convince a doctor to actually check for parasites?

Scopolamine and a cattle prod? Actually, if you travelled internationally, it shouldn't take more than a polite request.

I sincerely hope your fears are in vain. I know very little of chagas disease, but it seems early treatment is the most effective treatment. If you have it, you've wasted precious time.

Hindsight would have you plowing through such resistance and demanding the desired tests as you deserve. Perhaps you were too timid. This is slightly odd, with international travel being about the only thing that would have most American doctors considering parasites.

But it's two years after the fact. If I were in such a position, I would resolve to allay my fears and wrest a sure conclusion from the medical bureaucracy. I would take notes of all my symptoms, a chronology of progression, and also adequately inform and prepare myself to hold a compelling dialog with the doctor. Screw their interest. You are the patient and they have responsibilities beyond hurling pills at rote and familiar illnesses. If you test positive, then you may have lawsuit material. If you don't, it may be time to explore other causes or solutions to what ails you, and crucially, you'll have peace of mind about that specific fear. So if you are truly concerned, go demand a test.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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I've read a medical research paper about the resurgence of some nasty parasitic disease in Israel with the breakdown by religious community[1]. Turns what? The stricter the dietary laws for the community were - the less infections occurred. And we're talking about sheep here, which is similar in size to pig. There are might be a confounding variables here though, i.e. some communities are mostly urban, others are mor…

There's the racial component as well. For instance Spaniards (ethnic Visigoths) have near-total immunity to bad pork, whereas Jews (Jewish Diaspora, ethnic Jews) are very vulnerable. Think of it this way: if there was a public service announcement by the early Jews, where would they write it down?

could you elaborate the last sentence of this comment?

I'm afraid I don't see the connection between innate immunity and service anouncements or writing things down, but its probably me being thick even though I'd like to understand.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Ah, just run 'em all under a cobalt-60 source. (joke)

To irradiate food, you need to keep the photon energy below 1.022 MeV, or you get residual radioactivity due to pair production.

with pair production I assume you mean electron positron pairs?

how is that harmful in food?

the lifetime of a positron wouldn't be very long, or is the concern free radicals?

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Larger animals can be inspected individually to find pathogens or diseases. Insects are so small that it's practically impossible to inspect each individual organism. You can do sampling of the batch, but the odds of missing bad ones are still high. Same with the fruits and vegetables, some are easy to inspect, others are almost impossible, or impossible to clean. There are kosher (insect-free) versions of lettuce an…

Ah, just run 'em all under a cobalt-60 source. (joke)

I thought most mass manufactured foodstuffs are irradiated in the West (but I somehow assumed X-ray tubes were used since they could be switched on and off, although a source may be cheaper...)

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The issue which really started the discussion on this was not the article, which I suspect relatively few read, but the Tweet/Video that the World Economic Forum published. You can find an archive of it here: https://archive.org/details/world-economic-forum-presents-th... . It was universally poorly received, which led to them removing the video/Tweet, and it's now being censored on platforms like YouTube. Their pred…

Your link seems broken, but by googling I think I found the video on youtube. Is this the same one that says "1 Billion people will be displaced by climate change"? Because, that seems like a prediction of what might happen in the future, rather than a wishlist item of Bill Gates and the rest of the Pentaverat. The video seems to be a very brief summary of this process: https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GFC_Annual_Re…

The URL is quite odd in that it ends with a period which it seems that Hacker News is parsing, more normally, as a period instead of a part of the URL. In the following URL, manually add a period at the end:

https://archive.org/details/world-economic-forum-presents-th....

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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To irradiate food, you need to keep the photon energy below 1.022 MeV, or you get residual radioactivity due to pair production.

with pair production I assume you mean electron positron pairs? how is that harmful in food? the lifetime of a positron wouldn't be very long, or is the concern free radicals?

as I thought pair production is irrelevant in food irradiation

the tolerable limits in particle energies and doses are very high for truly tiny increases in induced radioactivity. its really marginal as long as the very conservative limits are respected.

see for example:

https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/te_1287_prn.p...

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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> They've also had years to test out ways to be open about their beliefs while hiding behind a guise of "civility" or "curiosity" and spreading blatant lies only to discard them and move on to the next talking point when caught. Now who's engaging in conspiracy thinking?

I'm talking about well-known phenomena that can readily be observed in online debate culture and social spaces over the past decade: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-int... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

That was such an interesting post, thank you for that. I'm sure I've felt it but I don't think I could have put it in words like you did. Landing on those last three points of yours really hit the spot for me.
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