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Post by beerandt »

radford-neal wrote: post #34
Bud wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notorious? And the best source for this is a 52-year-old article from a student newspaper in the US, with no listed author or sourcing? The linked article also reveals that the separatists in question were kidnapping multiple people at the time. This seems like ample reason to arrest a bunch of them.

The word "notorious" is appropriate for those who think Pierre Trudeau's invocation of the War Measures Act was wrong. And that is a widespread (but far from universal) opinion among Canadians. Note that one reason for invoking the War Measures Act was that it allowed for the arrest of people for whom there was no good evidence of criminal conduct.

There's no need for ideological alignment to be notorious. Something being controversial is more than enough.

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Post by jagger27 »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #221
MomoXenosaga wrote: post #154

I didn't join in on the BLM protests because I'm neither American nor arrogant enough to tell Americans how they want to run their society. Ban foreign money entering your political system. Nothing good will ever come from it.

How about Canadians living in America who are de facto barred from entering their country to visit relatives?

Canadian citizens are always free to re-enter Canada.

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Post by throw10920 »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #435
eldaisfish wrote: post #420

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>there is no violence, and no obvious danger While there is no outright violence, there is torture to local residents, there was attempted arson, there is continued intimidation and harassment of those wearing masks, there is intimidation of visible minorities, there are attacks on businesses.... Is that enough to convince you that the situation is out of hand and than stricter action is needed? The protestors haven'…

> Edit - within seconds of posting, this is downvoted. Truly a shameful display by the folks here. Please don't comment on downvotes like this; it's not useful.

Complaining about downvoting is straight-up against the HN guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html :

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

And in this case, it's more than a little manipulative. "Truly a shameful display by the folks here."

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Post by kerneloftruth »

redisman wrote: post #406
cf100clunk wrote: post #389

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This type of revelation will likely be commonplace in the days/weeks ahead as militant extremists are exposed.

There will always be some opportunistic groups looking to cause more mayhem in chaotic situations like this. These protests have been literally “mostly peaceful” no?

Yes. I've seen no evidence of stores being looted, businesses burned, or anybody throwing rocks at police -- all of which were common in 2020 BLM protests.

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Post by purephase »

canadianeh2 wrote: post #20

i have a 4 year old daughter in ontario who has never seen her friends faces or her teacher's face. she eats outside even when it's -20. as of today, no end in sight for these rules. why? it's shameful. im surprised the civil unrest in canada isnt worse.

Unless there's some crazy school board out there, there's no way they have kids eating outside when it's -20. Most school boards won't even have outdoor recess on days like that.

I have 11 nieces and nephews in 5 different school boards in Ontario, and not one of them has these restrictions. They eat indoors, they can take their masks off at lunch, and during gym class. Their teachers regularly post videos for students to watch, with their masks off, so that they can have that level of interaction with their students.

We still do play dates with kids too. And birthday parties, where we can opt to go maskless if everyone is tested and comfortable with it.

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Post by jjulius »

fredophile wrote: post #281
jjulius wrote: post #219

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Absolutely correct, but that doesn't really change the validity of either of the points that I made.

So you think it's acceptable for citizens in one country to fund political movements in other countries? Would you feel the same way about oligarchs in Russia or China funding political organizations in the US?

>So you think it's acceptable for citizens in one country to fund political movements in other countries? Would you feel the same way about oligarchs in Russia or China funding political organizations in the US?

Please don't be so quick to put words into other's mouths and then go after them for something they never said.

Someone asked why another user might want to donate to political causes in another country. I responded, clarified I wasn't OP, then - and this is key - further clarified that my post "shouldn't be considered an endorsement of their donation/views", and then simply posited why someone might want to. See how I said that you shouldn't see my comment as an endorsement of their donation?

Discussing why someone might want to do something is different from arguing whether or not it is right to do so. At no point have I engaged in the latter. They can be lumped into the same conversation, but I haven't done that in this comment chain.

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Post by lobocinza »

cudgy wrote: post #382
peter422 wrote: post #297

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So is somebody physically blocking a bridge with a giant truck and refusing to move it less militant than somebody pulling their music off Spotify and writing a letter explaining their choice? Why did you use the term “militant” to describe the side that is not using military tactics.

Blocking bridges with trucks and no guns is a military tactic? I believe that is an example of civil disobedience. Words matter.

To be fair civil disobedience can be a military tactic if it´s employed to achieve a military/political goal.

And this isn't to pass judgment on any of the groups, I don't live in Canada, I'm not a Joe Rogan listener or Spotify user, I really don't care.

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Post by BeefWellington »

ctoth wrote: post #444
eldaisfish wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>there is no violence, and no obvious danger While there is no outright violence, there is torture to local residents, there was attempted arson, there is continued intimidation and harassment of those wearing masks, there is intimidation of visible minorities, there are attacks on businesses.... Is that enough to convince you that the situation is out of hand and than stricter action is needed? The protestors haven'…

> While there is no outright violence, there is torture to local residents Why did you use the word torture here? Torture is a well-defined word with an accepted meaning. Do you feel that it is appropriate? Or are you looking for an emotionally-loaded reaction? Can I also claim that my loud college neighbors are torturing me when they stay up too late on the weekend? Of course I can, but it sure is disingenuous to an…

> Can I also claim that my loud college neighbors are torturing me when they stay up too late on the weekend? Of course I can, but it sure is disingenuous to anyone who has actually been tortured.

If they did it for a week straight after you'd lodged several noise complaints and had the police go nowhere, yeah, I think that would qualify. It's certainly not the most severe type of torture but intentionally depriving a person of sleep and attempting to damage their eardrums qualifies.

If your loud college neighbours were setting off a train horn outside your building, repeatedly, I think you'd expect them to be handled by the police (if not arrested) pretty immediately.

If your loud college neighbours were assaulting people in the streets, shouting death and rape threats at you, you'd probably consider them violent.[1] Another post of mine has many more links if you're interested.

I'm not sure how much actual violence is required for a protest to become violent. Is it just that nobody's been killed yet? That seems to be what everyone is waiting for and I sincerely hope we don't get there (thankfully it looks like things may be defusing today).

[1]: https://globalnews.ca/news/8594809/covid-freedom-convoy-otta...

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Post by logifail »

kstenerud wrote: post #421
zapdrive wrote: post #395

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Not all unvaccinated people end up in a hospital though. So aren't we discriminating against them? It's equivalent to saying that lets bar all male Canadian citizens from entering Canada, since over 90% of rapes are committed by men!

> Not all unvaccinated people end up in a hospital though. So aren't we discriminating against them? We absolutely are, and I applaud the effort. If they were fighting against rabies or measles or tetanus vaccinations, I'd say "Good on you! Do your part to clean out the shallow end of the gene pool." But once their stupidity endangers others, we as civilized people step in and stop them. When unvaccinated COVID patie…

> When unvaccinated COVID patients flood the hospitals [..]

In our part of the world, despite eye-watering infection rates over the last few weeks, hospitals are absolutely nowhere near capacity (and that's putting it mildly).

Were younger and fitter people really flooding hospitals if they got Covid? Thought the data on age and comorbidities is pretty clear and has been for a while now.[0][1]

[0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7... [1] https://academic.oup.com/biomedgerontology/article/75/11/222...

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