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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

Keepass is zero.

And has zero native syncing functionality being presented by 1Password across every platform on the planet.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

The $0 competition for normal people is KeePassX stored in Dropbox, OneDrive, GDrive. The $0 competition for hackers is https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

Simply not the same thing at all.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I am a 1PW subscription user and am happy with the product (however, seeing they are moving to Electron means that is very subject to change...) but Saying that "customers voted with their wallet" and chose subscriptions is disingenous Ever since they've had subscriptions they've made the standalone license page extremely difficult to find on their site. They really didn't give regular users a "choice"- they dark-pat…

I purchased a 1Password license years ago. I knew when I bought it that major version upgrades were not included and my feeling was that I would rather have a subscription so I could just seamlessly upgrade when new versions arrived.

Ever since they released the subscription option my upgrades have been very smooth and the features and improvements keep coming and I don't have to actively go and upgrade/purchase a license for a new version.

I don't know how to feel about switching to electron. I have many applications that are electron based and the quality is generally high but some do cause significant memory pressure on my macbook air.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I recently cancelled Evernote after 12 years of paying for it due to their new Electron client. I've been using 1Password since 2008 and I'll be doing the same thing. I have tolerated the UI regressions and even subscription with version 7, but Electron is just unacceptable for what was once an amazing Mac app that put Apple's apps to shame.

Exactly the same here. I've had three software subscriptions until this year, mostly begrudgingly — CreativeCloud, Evernote and 1password. I got rid of two of them — Evernote for exactly the same reason. 1pwd going the Electron route would have put me close, but not over the edge — but the fact that they seem to have willy-nilly removed local vaults does. These days it sometimes feels like one has to write all essent…

>the fact that they seem to have willy-nilly removed local vaults does

They have been talking about this for years. It was not done willy-nilly. There are limits to local vaults.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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This is true of any password manager.

But you can take your device off the network when running the password manager to ensure it isn't able to do that, for example. (Or more realistically, you can watch with something like Little Snitch or WireShark to ensure it isn't happening.) That's something you can't do when the password manager requires the network to do its main function.

But my wife can't do this. She doesn't know how.

It's absolutely incredible to me that people ignore one of the biggest sides of the argument for pre-baked, user friendly products like 1Password: usability for as many people as possible.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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This is true of any password manager.

But you can take your device off the network when running the password manager to ensure it isn't able to do that, for example. (Or more realistically, you can watch with something like Little Snitch or WireShark to ensure it isn't happening.) That's something you can't do when the password manager requires the network to do its main function.

You're trusting the client whether or not it can talk on the network. A malicious update that starts generating predictable passwords for websites doesn't need a network connection.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've already posted this elsewhere, but I've seen multiple threads spreading misinformation that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. This could not be farther from the truth. We have been working on these changes long before we received any form of outside investments. Over the past few years, we've been working on cons…

> I've already posted this elsewhere, but I'm seeing some misinformation that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. This could not be farther from the truth. We have been working on these changes long before we received any form of outside investments. That's worse, not better. At least being forced to by investors makes sense. The current direction of travel being voluntary means you've just got a…

> The current direction of travel being voluntary means you've just got a bad nose for building security.

What's your experience building security systems? Do you have a LinkedIn profile or a CV we could review?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I think it's reasonable to complain about the loss of the native app when one of the key selling points (imo) is the pleasant UI. I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. I would probably pref…

If every single utility and app start charging $3 or $5 per month then it becomes a problem. Software as a service is a good concept for something that is truly changing all the time, but I find it absurd that a Photoshop subscription or a huge IDE cost as much as these utilities thst used to be shareware in the past. The old business model works but you have to keep innovating and diversify your product line. Micros…

This is kind of ridiculous. Photoshop doesn't benefit from being a subscription the way that 1Password does so it's only a problem if you decide to actually buy those for what they're asking for. Something like 1Password does truly change all the time to keep up with security practices, browser updates, and site updates so it fits with what you're describing.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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> Adding to this, they've also left showstopping sync bugs in the standalone version, and the customer support team uses this as a reason to push people to switch to the subscription service. Woah, really? Would you mind linking some threads for the benefit of everyone else skimming through this? (I'm still on 1Password 6, and the experience is mostly smooth-sailing except for browser extensions.)

This comes from personal experience with support. For example, I experienced a bug for 6+ months where Wi-Fi syncing stopped working, and customer service said "This is a bug, but we're probably not going to fix this any time soon. Here's a free credit to upgrade to the subscription service." I can't link to that interaction in particular, because it was over email, but you can see some of this behavior in their publ…

[0] is a lengthy support forum discussion discussing many points on whether WLAN sync is a worthwhile feature, even though it’s a thread specific to Windows.

[1] shows the level of support you’ll receive for the feature. They will not actively investigate issues or release fixes, AFAICT. I’ve had my own issues with it.

If you link through to the troubleshooting doc [2] from that page, you’ll see this message:

> We’re unable to troubleshoot issues with the WLAN server beyond the scope of this article. If you’ve tried everything in the article and are still unable to connect, a 1Password membership is a more reliable sync method.

I, too, took the 1PW membership route years ago for exactly this reason.

[0]: https://1password.community/discussion/87524/on-wlan-sync-in...

[1]: https://1password.community/discussion/116400/1passowrd-on-i...

[2]: https://support.1password.com/cs/wlan-server-troubleshooting...

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