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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by onion2k »

staticassertion wrote: post #361
ghaff wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a first approximation, no one is spending $60/day on restaurant meals unless they're traveling.

When Dropbox served food I valued it at 50k, ie: in order fro a company to poach me, given they don't have food, that's 50k they'd have to make up for. While I don't spend anywhere near 4k a month on food, there were a few things to consider: a) 3 meals prepared for me saves me time and money. I love to cook but I don't have tons of time anymore and I don't have a a good kitchen. If I want to save time via delivery I…

I can see the appeal of this if you're living alone or with some housemates who also live that lifestyle, but I can't see it working if you have a girlfriend or boyfriend unless they also work for a company that caters all their meals too. Otherwise you'd never get a chance to have breakfast or dinner together. That would suck.

I wonder, on some deeply dystopian level, if tech companies do this on purpose to keep their a large proportion of their employees single.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by 3np »

lozaning wrote: post #249
swiley wrote: post #143

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I guess I wasn't clear, I work on the east coast of the US but having EU employees means people are used to some of their coworkers not being available all the time.

I worked on a project for a big Korean company that required me to work onsite with a team in Dusseldorf. I happened to be there over Easter weekend and the project was behind. I inquired as to when we would meet up to keep working, and they told me the office would be closed, so naturally I asked what coffee shop/cafe/space or whatever we'd work at instead. The team there was shocked and maybe offended even, and I w…

Would you be equally shocked if this was Thanksgiving in the US or Chinese New Year in China?

In my experience it really depends on the individual, team, and company just how strict people are with not working unscheduled overtime on national holidays to crunch a release or not.

But assuming that it will happen, that's a first for me.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by staticassertion »

onion2k wrote: post #451
staticassertion wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Dropbox served food I valued it at 50k, ie: in order fro a company to poach me, given they don't have food, that's 50k they'd have to make up for. While I don't spend anywhere near 4k a month on food, there were a few things to consider: a) 3 meals prepared for me saves me time and money. I love to cook but I don't have tons of time anymore and I don't have a a good kitchen. If I want to save time via delivery I…

I can see the appeal of this if you're living alone or with some housemates who also live that lifestyle, but I can't see it working if you have a girlfriend or boyfriend unless they also work for a company that caters all their meals too. Otherwise you'd never get a chance to have breakfast or dinner together. That would suck. I wonder, on some deeply dystopian level, if tech companies do this on purpose to keep the…

Dropbox allowed guests. I brought a number of people over my time there.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by insaneirish »

silisili wrote: post #387
insaneirish wrote: post #374

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> Now that anyone who wants a vaccine is vaccinated in most places, it's not 'evil' to ask people to come back. Just because it's not 'evil' doesn't mean it's not stupid. If someone isn't performing, separation probably makes sense. But it shouldn't be because they've woken up and realized that being in an office all day is a soul sucking exercise that they'd rather avoid. I firmly believe this will all level out wit…

I feel like we're talking past each other. In other words, you're refuting points I wasn't making, in context. It might be stupid, or a bad idea, sure. I'm not a pro office person. But the reply was in the context to a comment that more or less asserts CEOs have blood on their hands because of all the workplace shootings that will occur. Because they're asking people to come back to the office...let that sink in. And…

Apologies if I missed your actual point. The parent post you're referencing was evidently gone by the time I replied, so I was responding on face value, not contextually.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lolgatekeeping »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

It exceedingly hilarious that you didn't flame your co-workers here or talk negatively about office culture, yet.... most the replies seem to focus on how you imply that office culture is not for you or somehow toxic.

I feel like the stalwarts here are most likely young and bushy tailed. Wanting to pander to their really toxic boss, who says the only way to get promoted is to work 80 hour weeks and make them look good. Sorry, that isn't sustainable in any industry. Have fun

(Cool I am going to report the really arrogant replies to this thread... which at this point are literally most of them)

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lsllc »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

If Tim's "missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration" then he's not paying attention to his employees.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

ergocoder wrote: post #241
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7

Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.

I'll help fake cough walking around. This helps you be more cautious and careful (e.g. I'm saving your life here). Companies may get complain and let people work from home. It's a win for me and for you. Apple employees: when Tim Cook is around, just fake a cough politely.

For extra points, bite on a fake blood capsule beforehand.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by pm90 »

Aeolun wrote: post #423
watermelon59 wrote: post #400

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> I do not care about being competitve. > I work so I can draw a salary to fund my life. That's it. I don't care about constantly climbing a ladder. I don't care about advancing my career for the sake of advancing my career. I just want to enjoy my life, and working for a living is just my means to that end. If I'm making enough to be comfortable, I don't care about chasing a promotion or getting ahead of people. I c…

As long as you are enjoying yourself it’s fine right? I enjoyed that for a while too, but just developing became boring, so now I’m also trying to play office politics. Not in the sense of some machiavellan scheme, but previously I’d just utterly ignore it.

Office politics can be amusing if you’re able to step away from it a bit and don’t care too much about the rat race. It’s immediately obvious who are the folks genuinely interested in building value and who are drones interpreting what their managers order them to do.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by pjerem »

ashtonkem wrote: post #378
k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

I still struggle to tell if CEOs are lying to our faces, or whether they've become delusional with their time on top.

I honestly think they feel like they are like any other employees and hardly remember on day to day basis that nobody else around them shares the same incentive to work.

Sure, they know it, but also I think it’s pretty human to take your everyday life for granted. After all, it’s the foundation of political disagreement.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by gmadsen »

rubicon33 wrote: post #251
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

This is what most of the newcomers to WFH don't understand: There is a big different between WFH for a few months where EVERYONE else is also WFH ... and WFH for YEARS where some, or most, of the others are in office. The latter is years upon years of feeling disconnected, left out, and sidelined. The vast majority of companies even if they allow remote are not remote first. Remote first involves actual structural an…

This is really subjective. I dislike water cooler talk. I dislike overhearing conversations. I dislike people interrupting me with something that could have been a message.

This year WFH have been a significant mental health improvement. I am more social outside of work and I am more productive during work.

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