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Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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The primary holding of the Supreme Court case that shut down Aereo[1] in 2014 was that their streams were "public performances", the category of violation that is being strengthened in this act. That decision is more consequential in light of this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Broadcasting_Cos.,_In...

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- Everyone discussing this law should really read the text The difficulty in doing so is a big part of the problem. As per AOC's comments on twitter yesterday, at 2PM Members of Congress got 5000 pages of bill dropped on their desk with a vote call at 4PM. The whole thing needs to be much more transparent.

Shouldn’t the collective default be to simply vote “no” if it’s given like this I don’t know why the behavior would exist otherwise..

Then no bills would ever get passed again

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I think a big part is the growth in complexity of the "source code" has allowed special interests to thrive in a discrete way. But I think the biggest problem is centralization of media control. Copyright allows the media to be controlled by tiny fraction Control the media and it becomes a lot easier to get away with lying. We need to #AbolishCopyright

Anyone can start a news or media organization in the US. Is it the high barrier of entry that limits these businesses? HN likes to talk about industries ripe for disruption. I would argue then that the media or news sectors are primed for a new breed of journalism. Can media ownership be decentralized when the gateway to media consumption is owned by Google and Facebook?

Yes, anyone can start one.

> Is it the high barrier of entry that limits these businesses?

No. Entering isn't hard, it's surviving, particularly if you are good. It's the near impossibility to compete against the big players because of copyright and patent laws.

Without abolishing these unfair laws, you cannot disrupt them. You cannot displace them.

When I was at Microsoft I saw the advantages first hand. If I had the blessing of the C-Suite, I could go and squash any business I wanted to as long as they weren't Apple, Google, Amazon, or Facebook.

Look at Slack, GitHub, LinkedIn, etc. Huge successes, and yet at the end of the day realized they couldn't be viable without joining one of the big dogs.

The problem is those big dogs are black holes sucking up an enormous amount of information, that you cannot take with you if you leave because of #imaginaryproperty laws, and hence you are always at a huge information disadvantage if you try and compete against them and will get squashed.

Come up with a great new Saas app? At some point if you're successful you will have to sell to one of them, or some exec will decide they'd like to take over your market and leverage their information advantage against you—good luck hanging on to your top talent when the big players offer them 3x the salary and job security; good luck building your sales pipelines when the big dogs have access to your customer list and purchasing decision makers with a snap of their fingers; good luck hanging on to your suppliers when the big dogs offer better terms; good luck acquiring customers when the big dogs have 1/10th the CAC.

I loved and was in awe of the talent of the people at Microsoft. But they don't need the #ImaginaryProperty protections. It makes them do shittier work and makes us all worse off (and the only affect is a redistribution of wealth to the top 1%).

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Games include two types of music: Original music is created by the game creators and streaming rights are included in the software EULA. Licensed music is created by third party artists and is usually not included in the software EULA because the music artist/publisher does not grant that type of license to the game creator/publisher. A gamer streaming gameplay that includes the copyrighted song will trigger automati…

Sure, but the claim being made was that this is a crime. In many places there are two types of law civil and criminal. In the US copyright infringement is unlawful but it's almost always civil law.

The DMCA has both civil and criminal penalties. The criminal penalties include fines and jail time.

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"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi (referring to the Affordable Care Act)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the...

> As can be seen, it’s true that Pelosi did utter these words: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it”. However, the article left out important context, including the next few words of Pelosi’s statement: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”

This looks like a case of Snopes trying to make Nancy Pelosi look good without justification. Their "important context" doesn't actually improve anything.

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Are all the people, from the film crew to the VFX artists and engineers that work on the IP that is being stolen "rich people yatch (sic!) money"? You can say what you want about IP law; you wouldn't be able to enjoy many big-budget productions if it wouldn't exist. Many jobs, high-paying and low-paying, wouldn't exist. Of course, the business model for content distribution is somewhat nonsensical and the time until…

I already don't enjoy many big-budget productions. I find niche Youtubers catering to my interests to be a better use of my time -- recently, we've been binging on 3Blue1Brown. I'm also finding very little relation between production budget (which mostly goes into things like SFX) and my enjoyment. Some of my favorite films were very low budget, from Dr. Horrible to some Bruce Campbell flicks. Good writing makes a hu…

What's the point of this comment? Why does your opinion matter so much?

Truth is most (practically all) people want to watch Game of Thrones and are willing to pay for it.

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> Secondly, I believe it confuses cause and effect. People say a lot of things. People mostly agree with universal background checks for guns. It isn't the Evil Rich People preventing this from happening, and the NRA isn't particularly rich itself even though it's a popular bogeyman. People talk a lot about climate change until it's time to shape policy on it. Someone answering a poll question doesn't matter, what pe…

You don't have any data backing your claims.

What data do you want? Look at the way people change their answers to whether or not they support Medicare For All based on how the question is phrased, or support for the Affordable Care Act [1]. What you are asking for is asinine. The data is the results of elections. You are the one who has provided no evidence for your claim.

If you think what someone answers to an opinion poll matters here, you're just wrong. Show me people voting based on these issues as a primary factor and not seeing results because politicians magically change their minds after winning.

"economic elite" is literally defined as anyone in the top 10% of income by that study. Guess what income group always votes? Those same people. And they're going to be the ones pressing for action the most. [2] And they are more educated, so it's stupid to compare public opinion like this. You need to compare expert consensus to policy and public opinion.

Not to mention the Electoral College and Senate.

What data do you expect?

[1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obamacare-vs-affordable-care-... [2] https://econofact.org/voting-and-income

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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> has no commercially significant purpose or use other than to publicly perform works protected This seems tailored to kill PopcornTime.

Isn't PopcornTime free software, which means it has no commercially significant anything? Or is it meant to be read has no (commercially significant purpose) or (use) ?

PopcornTime definitely has a commercially significant purpose, even if it’s free: it provides unrestricted access to large amounts of copyrighted material that has undisputed commercial value.

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>Firstly it becomes very difficult to argue your streaming service has no 'commercially significant purpose' other than piracy when you're not making much money. It is a bit of a concern, but I see it less of a concern than you. First, we're talking criminal law here, so the state has to argue their case and prove your guilt, not you have to prove your innocence. Second, you still get 17 U.S. Code § 512 liability pro…

I think the main issue I've got with this law is the fact that current laws already seem to cover it. It doesn't make sense to me why we needed additional criminal enforcement around, of all things, media streaming. I'm really not a fan of how much our government bends over backwards to protect Disney's IP. Kim Dotcom is a great example for how much protection is already enjoyed by copyright holders. It's crazy to ex…

> Kim Dotcom is a great example for how much protection is already enjoyed by copyright holders.

That was downloads. Commercial download piracy did indeed already have a lot of serious legal penalties. Commercial streaming piracy did not.

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> has no commercially significant purpose or use other than to publicly perform works protected This seems tailored to kill PopcornTime.

You could use PopcornTime for showing copyright-free videos, they exist

The fact that one has to point out that they exist at all, is indicative of how popular or significant they are on that platform.
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