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Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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This title is misleading: > The Protecting Lawful Streaming Act would apply only to commercial, for-profit streaming piracy services. The law will not sweep in normal practices by online service providers, good faith business disputes, noncommercial activities, or in any way impact individuals who access pirated streams or unwittingly stream unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. Individuals who might use pirate s…

Either way, this is bullshit forced through into "must pass" legislation because they know this shit wouldn't pass otherwise. This is fundamentally evil. Our senators are a pile of shit-enabling shit.

Not a big shock to see both of Georgia's sub-human Senators, Loeffler, and Perdue, on the list of sponsors of this.

Loeffler is a white supremacist. Perdue very actively traded on secret insider pandemic information to enrich himself during the period in which he, and basically all Republicans, were still lying about the pandemic to the American people.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

#192

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This appears to be correct from reading the (very short) text[0]. Everyone discussing this law should really read the text instead of reading whatever nonsense the media is spinning. Here's the full text of what is being prohibited: > PROHIBITED ACT. > — It shall be unlawful to willfully, and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, offer or provide to the public a digital transmission service…

Everyone seems to jump to conclusions a bit, though there's still some reason to be wary as I already see 2 ways that this would make it harder for someone to build a new streaming service. Firstly it becomes very difficult to argue your streaming service has no 'commercially significant purpose' other than piracy when you're not making much money. Secondly it gives the copyright enforcing industry a big amount of le…

>Firstly it becomes very difficult to argue your streaming service has no 'commercially significant purpose' other than piracy when you're not making much money.

It is a bit of a concern, but I see it less of a concern than you.

First, we're talking criminal law here, so the state has to argue their case and prove your guilt, not you have to prove your innocence.

Second, you still get 17 U.S. Code § 512 liability protection (DMCA takedown notices and resulting safe harbor) and if you can demonstrate you followed this in court, it would be a lot harder for the state to argue you deliberate did something wrong, especially if this concerns "user generated content" (harder, not impossible).

Third, you're fucked already anyway, ask Kim Dotcom (from megaupload) about it. If the government wants to come after you, it will, regardless of this law, and even regardless of whether you set foot on US soil ever.

>Secondly it gives the copyright enforcing industry a big amount of leverage to pressure you into doing things as failure to cooperate could easily be argued to make your platform intended for piracy.

Again, the law sets out what you have to do to have liability safe harbor under 17 U.S. Code § 512. If you follow that, it would be hard for the music industry to argue otherwise, and it's also not their place to sue you under this law in the first place. It's criminal law, and therefore only the state can prosecute. However, the music industry certainly would try to nudge prosecutors into bringing charges under this law, and/or bring it up in an civil proceedings to bolster their case. It could backfire for them tho, if the state refuses prosecution, then you have an argument in civil court that what you're doing was not considered illegal and the state decided you are not an illegal streaming service (or at least, that there was no sufficient evidence to make that case).

So I think it's not a great law, especially not if you want to do a (user content) streaming startup, but it's not that bad either.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

#193
post #8

"Last year, one study reported that digital video piracy costs the U.S. economy $29.2 billion a year." Well, I'd say that it in fact saves $30 billion a year. People can use it to buy more important stuff - such as food.

Yeah, I hate that kind of language because it's so dishonest. Number one, a pirate is not a lost sale. Only a small number of pirates would have otherwise bought the product. Number two, the $29b didn't disappear, it was just spent elsewhere. The economy didn't "lose" anything. Number three, the entertainment industry is doing perfectly fine these days, so why should we be cracking down on entertainment which is accessible to poor people? Culture shouldn't belong exclusively for the financially comfortable.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

#194
post #13

If the United States’ populace elects its officials, why do the representatives act against the populace’s wishes? Is this typical of all governments with elected representation? Are they solving different organizational problems that most people are not aware of? I am curious how such a system arises, maintains itself, and is resilient to change.

What systems can be put in place so that unpopular legislation like this isn't snuck into unrelated bills? You'd need something like a rolling referendum on all suggested law changes that were up for a direct democratic vote, but direct democracy would probably just lead to a lot more politics fatigue.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

#196
post #13

If the United States’ populace elects its officials, why do the representatives act against the populace’s wishes? Is this typical of all governments with elected representation? Are they solving different organizational problems that most people are not aware of? I am curious how such a system arises, maintains itself, and is resilient to change.

Defer to the other replies pointing out this is against services and not individuals, but I think "the populace wishes for free content, government please make it so" is fairly naive. It requires money to produce good content, and the government protecting property rights (yes for corporations, but who pay salaries and yes stockholders) is actually doing what the majority of the populace effectively wants.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

#197
post #39

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We do elect our officials, but the way legislation gets pushed through is typically lobbied by special interests. In some cases the laws themselves are written by those same special interests rather than written by the legislative bodies. https://publicintegrity.org/politics/state-politics/copy-pas...

So why elect our officials?

Because you need someone to legislate, and direct democracy isn't sustainable if you want to represent _most_ people.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

#198
post #186
post #179

- Everyone discussing this law should really read the text The difficulty in doing so is a big part of the problem. As per AOC's comments on twitter yesterday, at 2PM Members of Congress got 5000 pages of bill dropped on their desk with a vote call at 4PM. The whole thing needs to be much more transparent.

Shouldn’t the collective default be to simply vote “no” if it’s given like this I don’t know why the behavior would exist otherwise..

Perhaps because there is entire political dance at play here where you toe the agenda lines of your whip in exchange for future political support?

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

#199

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It may not be everyone, but there are a number of pirates who would buy a subscription to a legal streaming service if illegal streaming was not as easily available.

Personally, my issue is more with DRM. I considered buying a few Blu-rays, but I have little use for a bunch of copyrigh-protected plastic, and circumventing the DRM on it might be a hassle, plus drives cost quite a bit. I just want some GoG-like store for movies. Have sales like Steam, price competition, keep what you buy, "complete your collection" bundles, etc. THis could really work with federation: each righthol…

Yeah, god, DRM. Sometimes I'll buy an ebook to support the author and then pirate it anyway just so I can have a proper DRM-free version that will run on my ebook reader.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This appears to be correct from reading the (very short) text[0]. Everyone discussing this law should really read the text instead of reading whatever nonsense the media is spinning. Here's the full text of what is being prohibited: > PROHIBITED ACT. > — It shall be unlawful to willfully, and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, offer or provide to the public a digital transmission service…

Everyone seems to jump to conclusions a bit, though there's still some reason to be wary as I already see 2 ways that this would make it harder for someone to build a new streaming service. Firstly it becomes very difficult to argue your streaming service has no 'commercially significant purpose' other than piracy when you're not making much money. Secondly it gives the copyright enforcing industry a big amount of le…

It could also kill streaming DJs and the services that support them.

If I play a DJ set over Twitch it could be argued that I'm doing it for profit because it's a form of self-promotion.

It also means that anyone who receives a DMCA take-down suit on YouTube can be accused of illicit streaming - which puts a lot of compilation creators into a legal grey area. Not to mention creators of original music who are on the wrong end of an illicit rights grab.

While the intent may be go to after pirate streaming, the reality is that aggressive lawyers can easily broaden the scope.

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