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Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by kibibu »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #338
ptx wrote: post #297

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That's why the "extend" phase is there in the embrace/extend/extinguish strategy - to make it an insurmountable pain to migrate elsewhere, after first having lured the users in with the "embrace" phase. Letting it play out is just what they need to move from phase 1 to phase 2.

But "extend" hasn't happened yet. There's no need to cry foul until it does, because until it does there's no evidence of anything nefarious going on. "Embrace" on its own is perfectly normal and acceptable behavior. Vendor lock-in is an important concern regardless of who owns the platform you're being locked into.

The "extend" has already been done, by GitHub.

Git doesn't support issue tracking and pull requests.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by wilsonnb »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #419
wilsonnb wrote: post #308

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> GitHub being unprofitable makes the situation worse because one knows then MS intend to make major changes: either to destroy it, or squeeze money from it. GitHub no longer needs to directly turn a profit now that it is owned by Microsoft. They just need to use GitHub to increase their profits from Azure (or any of Microsoft's other money makers). I don't think they need to make drastic changes to GitHub for that t…

How do you envision them forcing^W encouraging use of Azure, or other MS paid offerings, through GitHub? I can see that working if they don't meddle with GitHub for the next decade, and keep it running well; then people might be convinced to try MS's other offerings. Maybe Heroku style "run this project on your own Azure instance now" (perhaps GitHub does this already?)? Is Azure's rep good enough to pull that off?

I haven't heard anyone say anything bad about Azure that can't be said about AWS, GCP, or whatever IBM calls their cloud hosting service.

That is exactly the kind of feature I think they will implement. They will probably add more support in Visual Studio and VSCode for GitHub as well, although their support is already pretty good as far as I know.

They can also throw paid GitHub features in with their Office 365 package, like they currently do with Skype. That would further consolidate companies on the Microsoft platform by ensuring that they don't have to leave it for code hosting.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by Someone1234 »

contravariant wrote: post #393
efdee wrote: post #348

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Why would Microsoft give away their crown jewels to a competing IDE? They spent ages perfecting their debugger. It's not like JetBrains can't build their own debugger based on the ICorDebug interface (which is what Microsoft's implementation is also based on).

Nobody here is claiming proprietary code is inherently bad (some people definitely do, but not in this thread), they're just saying it makes a poor example of Microsoft embracing open source.

JetBrains products aren't Open Source. So how is embracing a closed source for-profit company anything to do with embracing Open Source?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by StreamBright »

wilsonnb wrote: post #433
StreamBright wrote: post #397

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Yeah just like Ubuntu, FreeBSD + XFCE and a bunch of other systems. I need something solid, featureful and simple as macos is, that has _great_ UX and I don't feel like fighting against the OS. Good example is when to update feature in macos vs windows is. One is pleasant, co-operative and feels right, the other is disruptive and I need to disable basic stuff not to lose some unsaved work. Just a great example how UX…

I don't really care if you choose MacOS over Windows. Plenty of people do. There are good reasons to. I even agree with you on some of your points. My contention is that you implied that Windows 10 does not even meet the low bar of "barely usable" when you said that you have to delete half of the OS to make it barely usable. That is a lie. Windows 10 is usable out of the box without any modifications. Saying otherwis…

For me it definitely does not meet the bar. It might be because I work as a systems/software engineer for too long and I have extremely low tolerance to have a subpar solution running in "production". It is ok if you just open a Outlook client and mostly use Excel + Word + PowerPoint, this covers huge amount of the user base.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by 0xFFC »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #434
0xFFC wrote: post #268

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Exactly. It seems people around here are brainwashed. They are incapable of thinking objectively. You are so naive if you think Apple or Google or Facebook are not for profit! Look at how much data Google has on every single one of us. MSFT is going through a cultural change right now. It was the case for Google, to make money the had to be an advocate of open source. They didn't do that because they are good-hearted…

>Look at how much data Google has on every single one of us. What about the data Microsoft has on you? Their Windows 10 OS is basically a data funnel right to their servers. They operate a tracking based search engine that also builds profiles on people. And they have data centers in China that are run by Chinese state run companies.

That is the point. There is no good or bad in this competition. Everybody is in it for itself/themselves. We should think about our strategies.

>And they have data centers in China that are run by Chinese state run companies.

BTW, tbh I don't trust data centers in USA any more than data centers in China.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

Delmania wrote: post #425
bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

> Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? How is it spying when they present you with a full screen detailing data collection with the option to turn it off, and have several blog posts providing details. > Do they not engage in patents racketeering? It's not much of an excuse, but all tech companies do this. > Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? Didn't they give Windows Mobile one hell of a run? Like they tr…

You actually can’t turn it off, and they still refuse to publish the complete list of what is collected. You need an enterprise version to disable as much as they will let you, and even then, they still force quite a bit of collection.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by dlandis »

Touche wrote: post #92

If you're wondering why they bought GitHub, it's here: > Second, we will accelerate enterprise developers’ use of GitHub, with our direct sales and partner channels and access to Microsoft’s global cloud infrastructure and services. This is it. At one time Microsoft used to dominate enterprise software development in certain areas (most of the east coast in the U.S.) to such a degree that it was almost impossible to…

> it was almost impossible to find a non-.NET developer job.

Mostly agree with the points, but I think it was always just as easy (if not easier) to find an enterprise Java based job than it was a .NET developer job.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by stordoff »

pritambaral wrote: post #387
stordoff wrote: post #369

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What exactly is Microsoft alleged to have done wrong here? It starts by saying "stole my code", but then discusses an MIT licensed piece of code. Furthermore, I'd see Microsoft's reply: > I'm not aware of any deliberate copying of the Lerna code, but let me dig into it now and call all the devs on the team to be sure. If there is, we should definitely give correct attribution, so I want to investigate. [...] I checke…

> It starts by saying "stole my code", but then discusses an MIT licensed piece of code Unrelated to the rest of the discussion, I just want to clarify that MIT License != 'Do Whatever You Want' License. MIT requires attribution and maintaining the copyright license on existing code. Yes, if you don't adhere to the license's terms when copying code, it is stealing.

I know, which is why I wanted to clarify precisely what Microsoft is being accused of (I may have worded it poorly). The tone I was getting from OP (the Twitter discussion) was that the code taken was something Microsoft did not have any right to use in the way they did, not something that could be solved by attribution. "stole my code" may be strictly accurate (as if you don't follow the licence, you don't have a licence to use), but I feel like it doesn't clearly communicate the problem, especially with comments such as "If they are going to steal code without crediting the original author" which, to me, initially read as saying it's still stealing even if it was credited.

To be clear, I'm not saying using MIT-licensed code without attribution is acceptable, but I feel that there is a qualitative difference between this and using code you couldn't use under any circumstances, or silently incorporating MIT code in a commercial product.

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