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post #446

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I certainly think 20,000 deaths is worse than 10,000 deaths yes. I believe there is a much greater discrepancy than 2x, between the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and ongoing drone strikes inflicting civilian casualties, and Chinese incursions into Tibet. That's not to say I support China in their incursions into Tibet. I am very sympathetic to those who have had atrocities committed towards them. I do think however that…

To suggest all atrocities are equal is weak. To suggest they aren't is morally bankrupt. Keeping score over which atrocity is worse than the other and using that as a benchmark of give-a-fuck is suffering porn, and engaging in it is a defect in your humanity. [edit for redundancy]

Well we have completely opposing views in that case. I think if you cannot compare atrocities or crimes you are suffering from sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies (i.e. morally bankrupt) but I say that as an armchair psychologist, much like you say what you say as an armchair moralist.

I think given any number of examples you would gladly compare crimes and atrocities and quite easily state which you think is worse.

Society does this also, you can usually find it expressed in the sentencing for crimes.

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post #178

as a sidenote I encourage all people with talent to leave countries with suppressive regimes. I think they should be erased from their position. One way to do that is to encourage everyone to leave their country. One can argue that staying in a bad country may one day help to build it up again, but on the other hand, nothing hurts bad people in power more than complete brain drain.

Leave to where? To a country where 1. a few rich people control the entire political process by buying out politicians. 2. where there are frequent shootings and you are never safe due to some idiotic Constitutional amendment. 3. where regularly unarmed minorities are shot dead by the police and the majority jury allow them to go unpunished. 4. where there is no mandate to give workers paid leave include those with a…

lol, really? https://twitter.com/radmuzom/status/635186717792727040.

Grow up. No one is impressed by this post.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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> In fact marriage equality, and the increasingly broad acceptance of homosexuality in America, is an extraordinary accomplishment. It is an accomplishment, for sure! The Western world (not just America) has become much more tolerant of gay people. And yet, while the US has had white people getting more tolerant or even accepting of white gay people, white people have not been getting more tolerant of black people. I…

of course, everyone knows that it's a problem that white people get shot by cops too. But bringing it up frustrates the white American liberal because they can't get truly mad about police shooting unless it disproportionally affects (non-asian) minorities. I mean, they'll talk about it, but everybody wants to pretend they're on the front of a new civil rights movement and signal how progressive they are. It gets old…

http://fusion.net/story/184773/zachary-hammond-white-lives-m...

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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I didn't miss the point, I disagreed with the premise of picking the top outcomes in Europe, while ignoring the other half of Europe that represent quite poor outcomes. When comparing the US vs European nations, there are certain requirements to get a positive outcome for Europe. You have to drop most of the medium countries like Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, Czech, Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Slo…

Well if you're not missing the point then why make an unfair comparison? Even western europe alone has a population much, much bigger than the US. So if you want to include all of Europe you're comparing apples to oranges just as much as comparing Germany to the entirety of the US. Now it depends on what comparison you want to make. I'm telling you you can find a portion of Europe that's all next to eachother and is…

It's just 'Ukraine', not 'the Ukraine'. Other than that, totally on board. I'm a dual US/EU citizen (Italia) and I support this post.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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Quote: "Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this. Today they asked me to delete all the code from GitHub. I have no choice but to obey.

I hope one day I'll live in a country where I have freedom to write any code I like without fearing."

I claim that the west is hardly better: Just say "copyright law".

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #428

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You are missing a few sources. 14 to be exact.

? All of these statements are easily checked out by googling. Listing sources is a pointless formality. (not stating that I think they're all accurate, but I do agree with the overall point, and I am very equipped to investigate and adjust the details.)

Actually a ton of stuff he's posted in this thread is complete bs, i.e. flat out wrong

Like EU GDP not growing for 8 years, wrong.

Median household wealth being better in the US than Italy, Sweden or Germany, wrong

The US producing more nobel prize winners than the EU, wrong

Statements about the danger of living in Amsterdam, wrong

Canadian gun ownership being comparable to the US, wrong

The murder rate for 99% of US citizens in cities being Then there's a lot of statements he makes which are so vague, they're likely his opinion rather than substantiated facts, but I can't disregard them altogether as he didn't qualify them. For example the US having more opportunity than any other nation is hard to qualify so one can't even begin to dispute it. But if define what that means by say 'social mobility', which can be qualified to a large extent, and look at social mobility for example, the US is nowhere near the leading country.

And then finally there's a ton of facts which are correct, and they're completely disingenuous. For example he references median student debt at $13k. He doesn't mention that this is the median student debt for all people. i.e. if you graduated in 1970 and still owe $3k in student debt after having paid off tens of thousands already, then you're part of that equation and it hugely understates the debt burden for students. When what you THINK he's talking about is what is the average debt that a student graduates with. And that number is $36k for 2015, much more than his truthful statistic.

The only reference he made is to the OECD better life index, and I'm glad he did because I'm familiar with that index. If he hadn't referenced it I might've taken for granted that he must know what he's talking about. But as I mentioned in another post, here's a little joke: the OECD better life index ranked the bottom 10% of Poland to have a better standard of living than the bottom 10% of Japan and France. And here's the kicker, same with the top 10%. Yes, Poland's bottom and top 10% respectively have better lives than the bottom and top 10% in France. It's a total joke. Of course you could say it's a (giant) anomaly but I've lived in many of the countries in the index in 4 different continents and there's a lot of misguided information there. Like gender equality in the Netherlands being one of the poorest of all studied countries, environment being one of the worst of all countries studied, being one of the least safe countries in the study (even worse than the US), or health being better in Greece than Germany, oh and if you want a good education you better move to Slovenia from the US because the OECD says it's better! I think you get the point, it's a total joke once you look at the individual parameters and the scoring on them.

So yeah some references would've been nice here and there. Not asking for links or anything, but just some reference to a source, like 'OECD better life index' which he referenced and turned out to be nonsense.

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Well if you're not missing the point then why make an unfair comparison? Even western europe alone has a population much, much bigger than the US. So if you want to include all of Europe you're comparing apples to oranges just as much as comparing Germany to the entirety of the US. Now it depends on what comparison you want to make. I'm telling you you can find a portion of Europe that's all next to eachother and is…

It's just 'Ukraine', not 'the Ukraine'. Other than that, totally on board. I'm a dual US/EU citizen (Italia) and I support this post.

Ah thanks for that, I thought it was an English thing (here in the Netherlands we just say 'Ukraine') but I always heard it as 'the' on english television. After your correction I looked into it and it turns out saying 'the' is actually insulting!

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #446

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To suggest all atrocities are equal is weak. To suggest they aren't is morally bankrupt. Keeping score over which atrocity is worse than the other and using that as a benchmark of give-a-fuck is suffering porn, and engaging in it is a defect in your humanity. [edit for redundancy]

Well we have completely opposing views in that case. I think if you cannot compare atrocities or crimes you are suffering from sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies (i.e. morally bankrupt) but I say that as an armchair psychologist, much like you say what you say as an armchair moralist. I think given any number of examples you would gladly compare crimes and atrocities and quite easily state which you think is worse.…

I think if you cannot compare atrocities or crimes you are suffering from sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies

So because I don't tier atrocities into more or less horrifying based on numbers and treat them all as a negative means I have "sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies"? Doesn't take much to understand you don't know what those words mean, including moralist and psychologist.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #458

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Well we have completely opposing views in that case. I think if you cannot compare atrocities or crimes you are suffering from sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies (i.e. morally bankrupt) but I say that as an armchair psychologist, much like you say what you say as an armchair moralist. I think given any number of examples you would gladly compare crimes and atrocities and quite easily state which you think is worse.…

I think if you cannot compare atrocities or crimes you are suffering from sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies So because I don't tier atrocities into more or less horrifying based on numbers and treat them all as a negative means I have "sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies"? Doesn't take much to understand you don't know what those words mean, including moralist and psychologist.

We both treat them as negative, however that you are unable to appreciate differences in extent raises serious questions for you, yes.

Society seems to be able to distinguish between different crimes and atrocities, yet you seem unwilling in this case.

Suggesting that those who can make such comparisons are morally bankrupt is quite a stretch, don't you think?

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post #172

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> That's all. The winter of China's network comes. Is there technical reason to believe that shadowsocks or similar technology is the last stand against automated censorship? I would just say this is just yet another stage in the censorship/anti-censorship cycle.

I think that is what he meant. Winter is seasonal after all.

I think maybe he meant it as a Russian winter
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