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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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While Anthropic and Open AI get 80% of the attention here, it's impressive to see how much Google is doing: near frontier model, fast models, open weight models, image generation, video generation, music generation, robotics, etc.

It's certainly an odd situation where Google is on the forefront of all these emerging technologies while the latest chatbots from OpenAI and Anthropic are getting breathless press releases and wildly hyperbolic coverage ("rogue AIs" "too dangerous, must be banned" etc...) Google acting like a normal but competent company that's just chugging away, meanwhile the hype cycle is propping up its upstart competitors to tr…

I mean they did practically invent LLMs and a lot of modern machine learning stuff. Or I should say researchers at Google. Makes sense they would keep at it

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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post #133

While Anthropic and Open AI get 80% of the attention here, it's impressive to see how much Google is doing: near frontier model, fast models, open weight models, image generation, video generation, music generation, robotics, etc.

It's certainly an odd situation where Google is on the forefront of all these emerging technologies while the latest chatbots from OpenAI and Anthropic are getting breathless press releases and wildly hyperbolic coverage ("rogue AIs" "too dangerous, must be banned" etc...) Google acting like a normal but competent company that's just chugging away, meanwhile the hype cycle is propping up its upstart competitors to tr…

It’s because their products are really bad. Last time I tried Gemini it repeatedly lied about running internet search when explicitly asked to do it. I know their models benchmark really well, but in real world the performance is abysmal.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Fucking hell, hiring a robot to care after an elderly parent. Now that's some disturbing shit.

"Disturbing" to be able to economically provide cooking, cleaning, laundry, yard maintenance, snow shoveling, etc., for an elderly parent who lives alone (by her choice)? Why is that disturbing?

Because the last thing a lonely elderly person needs at the life's sunset is a soulless clanker around.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

I'm not sure. I think house cleaning/chores require at least a "part-time" job's work of work for the average household (especially with children). We may be atypical, but my partner and I don't want to hire out a cleaning service and deal with the whole human component. But, I think we'd gladly pay 15k+ if it allowed us to take on the additional gainful workload. Even at a 20k price tag, I suspect we would likely ha…

Sometimes I forget what a bubble HN really is.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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It is amusing to observe that the tech marketing of today are milking the shit out of this trick. The trick being to tread continuously through some non-obvious happy path. And average people will be convinced that you really have some breakthrough tech. But hey, this is not something new. Magicians were taking advantage of such things for centuries ..

Please describe the trick you’re suggesting

1. Make some thing that work in very limited of amount of real world cases 2. Deploy it somewhere where it won't encounter things it won't handle. 3. Market the shit out of the above fact and how well it work there. 4. Let the naive population who have a tendency to take one look, and imagine how it will automatically progress to some arbitrary influx point. 5. Get a lot of funding from people in point 4 and feed it to point 3, and keep going.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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I don't think a cleaning robot and a vehicle are in the same category, as vehicles are more a necessity (at the very least to get to and from your jobs, to buy groceries, etc) and a cleaning robot is squarely a luxury.

A car saves you time walking/biking, a robot saves chore time. Depending on depreciation, it's feasible that you could go do minimum-wage level work on Doordash using the chore time you save from the robot and still come out ahead. E.g. 5 hours/week at $20/hour = $5200/yr

> A car saves you time walking/biking, a robot saves chore time

Mileage varies. My impression is that on net, many people borrow money for the vehicle and end up adjusting their lives to depend on it, so much so that in their head they think they're saving time, but if they'd put that money into their home budget and moved closer to where things are, they'd get more exercise, be more socially healthy, and also waste less time and money driving. In aggregate, this makes everything worse and perpetuates the cycle. I sure as hell wouldn't move somewhere I had to drive to and from if I didn't already have the car, and I sure as hell wouldn't buy a car to get to a job unless the nature of my work required it. Not again.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Not irony: why manage machines with all the issues that go with that instead of people?

Tell me you are not an introvert without telling me... I don't want a person I barely know regularly going all over my apartment. What if they discover... nevermind. A robot, on the other hand? Hell yeah!

A robot will send whatever they discover to the FBI.

My issue is different: I feel bad with someone working around me while I am lazy. A robot would not pose that problem.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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post #133

While Anthropic and Open AI get 80% of the attention here, it's impressive to see how much Google is doing: near frontier model, fast models, open weight models, image generation, video generation, music generation, robotics, etc.

Yes, I am surprised that no one talks about the 'live' feature in Gemini app. With camera turned on, it has helped me fix things which I have no clue about.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Gemini is the only LLM I've ever experienced that decided on its own to tell me that something was a bad idea. Which, ok, in itself it's not a bad thing, we actually need more of that instead of the pathological sycophancy that all current models suffer from. But in a physical robot? Yeah, that thing is going to punch me in the face, eventually. Or worse.

I use Sonnet and Opus everyday. Believe me, it's very common they tell me that something is bad idea, write a rationale and suggest better solutions. Gemini doesn't remember almost anything after 2-3 follow ups. I have to paste the same "system prompt" at the top of each message and it still doesn't understand it.

> Believe me, it's very common they tell me that something is bad idea

In my experience, the most they dare is to suggest better alternatives, which is the polite and useful version of telling me something is a bad idea.

But in general, they do not tell you "this whole idea is complete bogus". So far, only Gemini did. Don't even remember what about.

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