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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by mlyle »

heaney-555 wrote: post #73
baron816 wrote: post #67

I don’t think this is where the robotics revolution is going to happen. The big one will be using AI to design and build highly specialized robots to automate mining and manufacturing.

Why not both?

Big humanoid robots are expensive, the actuators still suck, and the control problems are hard. Their big advantage is that they can occupy human-shaped spaces, but struggle to do anything useful.

Not to say we won't get humanoid robots eventually, but I think there's probably some low hanging fruit for people to make some other kinds of solutions. Specialized robots for industrial environment, well-thought out appliances for the home.

It would be a bit surprising if the progression was Roomba -> humanoid robot.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by jameshart »

baron816 wrote: post #67

I don’t think this is where the robotics revolution is going to happen. The big one will be using AI to design and build highly specialized robots to automate mining and manufacturing.

The AI will need generalized robots to build the highly specialized ones.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by qurren »

heaney-555 wrote: post #60
qurren wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

>You'd have a hard time convincing most American families to purchase anything with a >$1000 price tag. Like cars, they'll likely purchase them through finance deals, with a monthly payment. Or perhaps even rent/lease them.

Cars are an absolute necessity in the US unless you live in one of the small handful of cities that have viable public transit. Different thing altogether.

Robots aren't a necessity, and for a price tag in the tens of thousands, most people will just mop their own floors and do their own laundry.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by CapyToolkit »

dev0p wrote: post #50
CapyToolkit wrote: post #22

If it has intelligence of Gemini... well, good luck...

Gemini is the only LLM I've ever experienced that decided on its own to tell me that something was a bad idea. Which, ok, in itself it's not a bad thing, we actually need more of that instead of the pathological sycophancy that all current models suffer from. But in a physical robot? Yeah, that thing is going to punch me in the face, eventually. Or worse.

I use Sonnet and Opus everyday. Believe me, it's very common they tell me that something is bad idea, write a rationale and suggest better solutions.

Gemini doesn't remember almost anything after 2-3 follow ups. I have to paste the same "system prompt" at the top of each message and it still doesn't understand it.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by mwt »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #12

These robots look slow and not very fluid in their motions, but LLMs like ChatGPT also looked very dumb initially. If progress is as fast as LLMs , this could have massive applications in a few years.

> If progress is as fast as LLMs

Is this the new "x technology is a year away" ?

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by qurren »

neutronicus wrote: post #65
qurren wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

I mean, a twice-monthly house-cleaning service is running you ballpark 5k/year and people treat that shit as non-negotiable. I tried to claw back that line item after our second baby was born (wife didn't want them in the house anyway when we had a newborn), and it was completely unsuccessful. She claimed misery and all our friends were on her side. So the lifestyle stayed inflated.

Yes, but:

1. 80%+ of Americans can't afford house cleaning services. I'm a software engineer in silicon valley and even I clean my own house because I don't think I can afford it. My rents have gone up by more than 5K in the last year, my salary hasn't, so that's coming out of my house cleaning budget.

2. Even if you can afford 5K/year on it, the cleaning service is not an upfront commitment. You can bail anytime when you get laid off and clean your own house.

3. Consumers don't budget rationally. Businesses do.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by samhclark »

martythemaniak wrote: post #37
horacemorace wrote: post #5

Fingers crossed this inspires a Chinese lab to release some weights so people can benefit.

They already do: https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen-robotsuite Nvidia also releases their Cosmos series models.

Did qwen actually release those robotsuite weights? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
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