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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by petre »

Cub3 wrote: post #221
sivers wrote: post #20

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Ha! Me too! Exact same. Bought a Pixel 10. Intended to do the default Android for a while. But it was filled with ads for “Wicked” which had me looking at my phone with a sneer on my face I couldn't erase - as if someone had smeared feces all over it and threw it on my bed. So I jumped straight to GrapheneOS, which was way easier and less extreme than I had been warned. So beautifully minimal, with no crap. Now my ph…

> it was filled with ads You bought a phone from an advertising company?

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by StrangeSound »

Cider9986 wrote: post #385
allthetime wrote: post #210

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I want to run graphene but I make android apps and need to test on device with a somewhat standard setup… login with google, etc. is this reasonable to do with graphene?

Yes, GOS has excellent compatibility with Google. The play services are sandboxed like a normal app and work great.

Does this mean I could install Google wallet? I feel like this would be the only thing really stopping me.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by microtonal »

flaburgan wrote: post #431
throawayonthe wrote: post #299

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1) any currently-supported device is good, but i'd say go for minimum pixel 8a if you can it ships with Memory Tagging Extensions (armv9 security feature) and two more years of support than previous generations; pixel 7 might be eol in oct 2027 https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-lifetime official recommendation page: https://grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices 2) there is no real graphene alternative for other devi…

What are the reasons to avoid /e/, according to you? (And not according to the GrapheneOS maintainer).

Because why would you trust an operating system of which the companies CEO says that security hardening is only for criminals and spies?

Besides doing many other shady things, like putting a proxy between their App Louge and F-Droid (cleanapk.org), while simultaneously not wanting to reveal who owns/controls that proxy? Remember that Android relies on trust on first use. Or running Google proprietary DroidGuard blobs in a privileged process for Play Integrity/SafetyNet? Or giving certain Google Apps elevated privileges when you install them?

I could go on for a while.

(I made the mistake of installing /e/OS on a phone once and then started poking around and it really has many security issues, questionable choices, etc.)

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by izacus »

dackdel wrote: post #239
Cub3 wrote: post #221

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> it was filled with ads You bought a phone from an advertising company?

for some reason i read that in archer(animated) voice.

Probably because it's a dumb useless comment in the same vein as most of that show.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by microtonal »

fsflover wrote: post #440
microtonal wrote: post #290

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If you want full freedom / maximal privacy, and are prepared to make compromises on capabilities and battery life, look at one of the Linux-based, non-Android options. I've heard of quite a few bugs with these. Most of them also have really bad security, for various reasons, including: - Since virtually no hardware vendor (outside Jolla) supports non-Android phones, they typically use phones that were made by their O…

> Let's say, if I was a bank, I can understand why I would want to block such devices. So as a bank, you would be forcing your customers into the duopoly of the American megacorps. Thankfully, there are banks that do not do this.

Nice strawmanning!

Obviously I want banks to support alternatives, but I can understand if they only want to support secure OSes. Some banks support GrapheneOS remote attestation besides Google Play Integrity at the strong level.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by gf000 »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #421
strcat wrote: post #341

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Ubuntu Touch is drastically less private and secure than AOSP let alone GrapheneOS. Volla's devices don't come anywhere close to meeting the update and security requirements for GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS is a Linux distribution much closely following along with the Linux kernel LTS releases, unlike those devices. It also regularly moves to new Linux kernel LTS branches. Pixels are in the process of moving to the 6.12 LT…

Ubuntu Touch (or any Linux distro for that matter) offers drastically more freedom than GrapheneOS or any other Android distribution. Some people care more about freedom than so called "security", and I don't know about you, but I'll take freedom any day.

Freedom to get a stroke from an incomplete toy OS?

Snark aside, desktop Linux userspace (or gnu Linux, call it how you want) is nowhere near production ready. And even for the more general point, giving out root willy-nilly is not more freedom. It's more like letting your child play on the 5th floor of a half-constructed building that's about to be exploded. Your kid can enjoy their time just as much in the safe forest trail.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by Cider9986 »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #421
strcat wrote: post #341

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Ubuntu Touch is drastically less private and secure than AOSP let alone GrapheneOS. Volla's devices don't come anywhere close to meeting the update and security requirements for GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS is a Linux distribution much closely following along with the Linux kernel LTS releases, unlike those devices. It also regularly moves to new Linux kernel LTS branches. Pixels are in the process of moving to the 6.12 LT…

Ubuntu Touch (or any Linux distro for that matter) offers drastically more freedom than GrapheneOS or any other Android distribution. Some people care more about freedom than so called "security", and I don't know about you, but I'll take freedom any day.

How can you be free when you're not private or secure?

Grapheneos is fully open source and comes with 0 Google services.

>so called "security"

Grapheneos is widely recognized as one of the most secure operating systems.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by wolvoleo »

cubefox wrote: post #367
wolvoleo wrote: post #175

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Yeah RCS always has been an embrace extend extinguish thing. The carriers were super pissed to lose their SMS revenue to WhatsApp and iMessage so they came up with this shit to be an active partner in the loop again, and they can bill for it again. Consumers didn't fall for that and it died off. Unfortunately Google revived it but it's a very poor standard for interoperability. Not only because the lack of true E2EE…

> Yeah RCS always has been an embrace extend extinguish thing. The carriers were super pissed to lose their SMS revenue to WhatsApp and iMessage so they came up with this shit to be an active partner in the loop again, and they can bill for it again. Consumers didn't fall for that and it died off. I strongly disagree with this negative characterization. RCS was a replacement protocol for the extremely outdated SMS an…

RCS is not modern. E2EE is only an addon and it's not open. As others have mentioned it's not even available with interoperation. And it was really invented by carriers for exactly that purpose: To regain SMS/MMS revenue. But at this point here in Europe SMS usage between people had vanished anyway (except for spam and poor 2FA implementations)

And the social problems are not a technology problem, it's more a result of the harsh competitive American society. Without blue bubbles there'll be something else that kids will be bullied for. Only when the whole concept of "everyone except the #1 winner is a loser" is dropped this will disappear.

And Google didn't try to convince Apple to do this out of the goodness of their heart. Like I said most of the protocol (except the E2EE) is open but the implementation is not. It gives google even more control. You also won't be able to use it on a PC without a google account which is a big dealbreaker compared to Whatsapp and Signal. iMessage isn't a thing here in Europe anyway (neither is SMS/MMS).

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by d3Xt3r »

gf000 wrote: post #446
d3Xt3r wrote: post #421

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Ubuntu Touch (or any Linux distro for that matter) offers drastically more freedom than GrapheneOS or any other Android distribution. Some people care more about freedom than so called "security", and I don't know about you, but I'll take freedom any day.

Freedom to get a stroke from an incomplete toy OS? Snark aside, desktop Linux userspace (or gnu Linux, call it how you want) is nowhere near production ready. And even for the more general point, giving out root willy-nilly is not more freedom. It's more like letting your child play on the 5th floor of a half-constructed building that's about to be exploded. Your kid can enjoy their time just as much in the safe fore…

Not everything needs to be "production ready". And giving out root willy-nilly is freedom. It's my device, I should get to decide how I want to use it and not have artificial restrictions put on my be by someone else. If I want to rm -rf /, I should be able to do just that.
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